I doesn't have to be as reliable as theirs just more reliable than our stock one, considering a built motor for us is around 3-4K and theirs stock ones are in the range of 15-30K, I say were getting a pretty good deal here. About the warranties, they, like us, are limited by the mods they put on the car. A Ferrari or a Porsche owner wont put many if any mods on his/her new car for this same reason, so they are limited at their power level. Those that remain are the Corvette and the GTR owners which will take the risk, of course their warranty will end as soon as they put so much as an intake and a flash on their car, so they are in the same position as we are. Except they have to pay 3-10X as much as we do for anything that goes wrong with their car. I think my argument is pretty logical but if I missed anything let me know lol

 

True, and the ZO6 & ZR1 are filled with more race proven technology than the evo, stock for stock. Thats the point I'm trying to make. However it's not practical to DD. Just to give you an idea on $$$, to replace all four tires w/ factory recommended michelins on the ZR1 its approx 1600.00, oh yeah and they last for approx 8,000 miles.

 

my point is they are reaching the point where, i dont even think they need to mod their motors. the 911 turbo runs a 10 second 1/4 mile. we're modding ours to reach their stock levels. For the power level a built motor will be more reliable than the stock motor because the stock motor was never designed to be pushed that far. But a stock motor at its limits will be more reliable than a built motor at the built motor's limits. Honestly can an evo with a built motor run a 10 second 1/4 mile - with a cat, a 5 year warranty by whoever built the motor, quiet when not pushed, add dvd nav, on and on? And if so, for how long can it be pushed like that before the other parts - the drivetrain starts to go?

I mean yeah I see what you're saying we can dump 20 or 30 grand in and it'll be as fast, but definitely not as quiet, comfortable and reliable. Even stock the evo is none of those! Not to mention it defeats the purpose of keeping a budget. Like I've said again and again, supercars have reached the point where they can have extreme performance while being that comfortable, quiet, livable, and reliable.

You're saying the evo can be built to have the performance of a supercar, but i'm saying that isn't true anymore, because the definition of a supercar is a moving target. Whereas in the 90s I would have said a supercar is just a car with extreme performance that you have to sacrifice certain things for, now there is no sacrifice to be made. The evo still needs to make those sacrifices to perform as well.

 

No, but most people build on a budget, to run the car at its max. While super-cars engines are built by engineers, with everything at there disposal. Think about it light weight parts every where with exotic metals and materials. $$$

 

The evo stock suspension is bad azz, but if you come out of pocket 5gs +++ your in different world my friend especially if you pay attention to your drivetrain to boot!

Hint: lsdees

 

I love this thread!! IMO you have never been able to beat the Porsche 911 turbo for it's "bang for the buck" Yes, we will always keep moving forward with technology. Funny but the new Honda CRZ is actually faster around the track than the Civic Type-R. Who would have ever thought about that from a hybrid? I sure as heck never thought I would see the day. My point is, cars will always get faster as we advance technology. Gonna date myself, but I remember when the ZR1 Corvette was one of the baddest ***** around in the early 90's. Ranked right up there with the Ferrari 512 and was at the forefront of the good ole Goodyear Gatorback advertisements, lol.

This discussion is like trying to debate who the best pound for pound fighter is. If you divided the attributes up, I think the EVO still is a high ranking car. I know I'm gonna upset a few people with this comment, but I (my personal opinion) think the last great performance EVO was the IX. The X just seems to have lost the rawness the earlier model EVOs exhibited along with the bang for your buck mods. When the EVO lost its WRC heritage the model changed direction and became softer, not quite as hard as it has been. This being said though, you are trying to compare an EVO to cars it was never ment to compete against. Supercar the EVO is not. The EVO is a four cylinder turbocharged 4 door sedan. The EVO is STILL a performance rocket capable of laying the smack down on cars which cost 5X as much. If you doubt that, look at which car still holds SLB unlimited records. GTR? umm no, NSX umm no, EVO? YES!! Will the EVO eventually be outclassed? Yes, I believe it will unless Mitsu does something about it although I'm not holding my breath. If I had all the money in the world to spend on a car would it be an EVO? Probably not, but if a person has $30k in their wallet to spend on a performance vehicle that loves to be modded, can carry around the kids to and from school, serve as a daily driver, and spank supercars at the local track days, I don't think you can beat the EVO. Show me another budget race car that can even compare? Show me another car you can have minor mishaps at the track with and it not cost you 10K to fix the bodywork.

 

The Evo may not be comfortable for a 60yr old man who can afford a PDK but it is for us or else we wouldn't have bought one. I don't know why you're complaining that the Evo is uncomfortable, the Recaros are already awesome and with a good suspension the car can feel like a Cadillac.

A good built motor won't be on the edge because they are built to withstand over 800HP and the best example I can think of as a comfortable, reliable(built motor, tranny, T-case) and quiet super car KILLER w/ NAV DVD is Project White built by Buschur. The build was around 20K without labor I believe, but if you look at the mod list you probably already have most of the parts on your own car. Buschur has not stripped or gutted that car and it still has all the creature comforts that you are referring too, oh did I mention the SD(quiet exhaust).

So you see, you don't NEED to sacrifice anything to beat these cars, the Evo can be as comfortable as you want it to, as quiet and as reliable as you want it too, and the best part of it is, you can do it step by step if you're on a budget...I don't know how I can make myself any clearer

 

This is a nice topic of discussion OP.

I agree that the comparison of a supercar and the Evo is an apples to oranges comparison. They both are fun to run in the track, but that's where the similarities end. The Evo is not as technologically and mechanically refined as a supercar, but the supercar is not as capable as the Evo as a grocery getter and child hauler.
When I bought the Evo, I had no intentions of running with "the Big Boys," I've just always been a fan of the car growing up. The best part about owning it is playing backyard mechanic, which is a total opposite of my professional life. I doubt anyone of us will be wrenching on the new 2011 Porsche 911 even if we could afford it.

 

perfectly clear - you think a modded evo is a better high performance car than any supercar in the world

 

Mitsubishi could build a faster Evo capable of keeping pace with modern supercars, but will they really sell at (assumingly so) $90-100k? Because that's probably what it'd cost. The FQ-400 was what, $75k? While that's fairly quick, many people don't realize, a bolt-on Evo with 340-360whp is equal or faster than any FQ-400. And there are hundreds of thousands of 340+whp Evo's running around. The suspension was the same as the standard MR. The FQ-400 was nothing really "special". 400bhp? So what?

Mitsubishi could make a faster Evo. We all know it's not difficult. I think an Evo FQ-650 is in order. With adjustable suspension. All for under $100k. $100k is a budget for a super car now-a-days, but again, who would buy a $100k Mitsubishi?

But generally speaking, super cars are, well.... super. That's what they're supposed to be. The Evo's were WAY too fast for their genre of sports sedans at the time. Were super cars too slow, or were Evo's just ahead of their time in terms of performance in it's price range? There are still car's in the Evo's price range that don't touch it's performance.

Since the Evo has been around, acceleration and power have hardly improved. Handling has improved at a steady rate. They need to keep improving the handling as they have, but do SOMETHING about the power!

 

someone that understands

 

the cost of the evo in the uk is not because of the actual modifications w/e - cars there are roughly twice as expensive as they are in america (bmw m3 ~ 100k usd).

the guy that is credited with developing the evo doesn't even like those fq cars - it's not the point of the evo. but because it can be made to do so, people do it

i think you are right - in the late 90s japanese cars were fast for their time. finally, 10 years later, supercars are spreading the margin back