Robevo RS derails every thread megamerge
Mar 28, 2015, 07:48 AM
#1
Robevo RS derails every thread megamerge
I think the new AWD system looks great and Ford clearly incorporated some features developed from rally racing. How it actually performs will be revealed soon enough. But I suspect its going to raise the bar for awd performance.
Mar 28, 2015, 09:55 AM
#2
in rally no one use ABS. so that alone separates it. i am not sure what they actually brought over from rally. Would be interesting to know it.
Mar 28, 2015, 11:32 AM
#3
that awd system set up has a little to nothing to do with a rally set up. maybe suspension geometry wise or something but other then that...
in rally no one use ABS. so that alone separates it. i am not sure what they actually brought over from rally. Would be interesting to know it.
in rally no one use ABS. so that alone separates it. i am not sure what they actually brought over from rally. Would be interesting to know it.
Read more: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobile...#ixzz3Vhs9EglU
Mar 28, 2015, 03:11 PM
#4
"Unlike standard all-wheel drive, Ford’s new system is an intuitive dual-clutch system able to transfer all power to individual wheels, like on professional rally cars."
Read more: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobile...#ixzz3Vhs9EglU
Read more: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobile...#ixzz3Vhs9EglU
that is clearly a magazine stunt to draw attention for a car. Using Ken Block and his Gymkhana videos is a great approach and very welcomed. But dont be fooled. You WILL need to modify your drive train for rally and extensively if this car uses ABS to control it. Specially since you have to disable the ABS for rally.
will see, i am really looking forward for this car
i am soooo happy they finally made a decision to make one and specially the fact will be sold in the USA "Unlike standard all-wheel drive, Ford’s new system is an intuitive dual-clutch system able to transfer all power to individual wheels, like on professional rally cars. The RS’s rally connection is unmistakable — Ford has taken on rally driver Ken Block to consult on the RS’s handling characteristics. Block knows a thing or two about modifying Fords for performance: He recently made headlines with his “Hoonicorn,” an 845 horsepower all-wheel drive 1965 Mustang that he designed and built.
Read more: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobile...#ixzz3ViiPdwMR "
Mar 28, 2015, 04:38 PM
#6
I think they mean that electronic torque vectoring is rally inspired. https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/what-is-torque-vectoring
Mar 29, 2015, 11:10 AM
#7
Focus/Evo Rally/Homologation discussion
Tire tech advances,
"New Evo IX" on same tire as Focus, would not be surprised if laptimes were same:
And who will, of us, buy new Focus, strip and build racecar?
That is not its purpose at all.
For track/racecar a we get salvaged dogs, and build.
So no, the Focus like Evo should be looked at full weight and with moderate mods:
Reflash/exhaust, maybe cams (Duratec turbo usually does not get upgraded cams) and maybe Ohlins R&T for both cars...brake pads/tires
As we can see, weight is weight, Evo IX can accept 275/40x17 tire, but even limiting to 265/35x18, doubt Duratec will/can make more power reliably on stock block and provide any handling/braking advantage.
Just ask Group N boys...nothing beats Evo...yet: Subaru Sti Group N is Spec-C/RA-R special and its a challenge but nothing else.
"New Evo IX" on same tire as Focus, would not be surprised if laptimes were same:
And who will, of us, buy new Focus, strip and build racecar?
That is not its purpose at all.
For track/racecar a we get salvaged dogs, and build.
So no, the Focus like Evo should be looked at full weight and with moderate mods:
Reflash/exhaust, maybe cams (Duratec turbo usually does not get upgraded cams) and maybe Ohlins R&T for both cars...brake pads/tires
As we can see, weight is weight, Evo IX can accept 275/40x17 tire, but even limiting to 265/35x18, doubt Duratec will/can make more power reliably on stock block and provide any handling/braking advantage.
Just ask Group N boys...nothing beats Evo...yet: Subaru Sti Group N is Spec-C/RA-R special and its a challenge but nothing else.
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Mar 29, 2015, 05:20 PM
#10
Tire tech advances,
"New Evo IX" on same tire as Focus, would not be surprised if laptimes were same:
And who will, of us, buy new Focus, strip and build racecar?
That is not its purpose at all.
For track/racecar a we get salvaged dogs, and build.
So no, the Focus like Evo should be looked at full weight and with moderate mods:
Reflash/exhaust, maybe cams (Duratec turbo usually does not get upgraded cams) and maybe Ohlins R&T for both cars...brake pads/tires
As we can see, weight is weight, Evo IX can accept 275/40x17 tire, but even limiting to 265/35x18, doubt Duratec will/can make more power reliably on stock block and provide any handling/braking advantage.
Just ask Group N boys...nothing beats Evo...yet: Subaru Sti Group N is Spec-C/RA-R special and its a challenge but nothing else.
"New Evo IX" on same tire as Focus, would not be surprised if laptimes were same:
And who will, of us, buy new Focus, strip and build racecar?
That is not its purpose at all.
For track/racecar a we get salvaged dogs, and build.
So no, the Focus like Evo should be looked at full weight and with moderate mods:
Reflash/exhaust, maybe cams (Duratec turbo usually does not get upgraded cams) and maybe Ohlins R&T for both cars...brake pads/tires
As we can see, weight is weight, Evo IX can accept 275/40x17 tire, but even limiting to 265/35x18, doubt Duratec will/can make more power reliably on stock block and provide any handling/braking advantage.
Just ask Group N boys...nothing beats Evo...yet: Subaru Sti Group N is Spec-C/RA-R special and its a challenge but nothing else.
I mean Group N is pretty strict. stock engine stock transmission etc.
Ford has a huge task to take over that title, and beat Mitsubishi there.
Evo is the Ultimate king in Grupe N even when decades passed by . The CT9A and the CZ4A and the suspension is simply a killer even when a lot smaller and lighter cars around....
that is why i cant still believe the Mitsubishi stopped doing his rally job
Mar 30, 2015, 11:55 PM
#11
Ford can do better, way better: proof is in the Ford GT.
But Ford cars are built by concensus:
Product Marketing Researchers, Procurement/Finance/Budget managers, than eventually engineers.
The filters are too strong to enable a truly capable car to come out.
AND: what RobEvo said-you need to really witness Evo in rally in EU to understand how much faster the chassis is. Its dominator..period. There is no real competition, the ACD and all the powertrain together make one amazing car.
Figure that Evo IX is still as competitive as Evo X! And Mitsu did redesign a bit when they made Evo X, yet they did not provide a clear-cut advantage, that is how good the CT9A is.
European rally champion Group N is driving Evo IX.
I have driven my TME on backroads with 2011 GT3 RS and 2015 GT3, good drivers...and my TME is very mild car with modest modifications. There was nothing between us in any discipline on the road. GT3 does come alive on track...but on road, a mild Evo is astonishing car.
Of course, Evo can meet performance on track of a GT3 and more...proof is in the WTC and more.
So I started off as Ford Man..my dad had an Escort MK2 RS..and I learned to drive on it, and was practicing to drive in rallies, but especially driving fast on wet roads and taking trips to airstrip to learn to throw the car sideways safely...as in full drift and handbrake turns.
And still today, I keep lurking at Mk2 Escort X-pack (Spezial) that lives near me in California, owned by friend.
What I really would like is WRC Modified Mk2 Escort like the Irish Boys run on Irish Tarmac series.
Surprisingly the Mk2 Escort can still pull WRC top echelon stage times in right conditions.
Back to Focus..I wish it well, but Lancer Evolution is only in shape a Lancer, and most of it is a real REvolution in chassis - which is why its impossible to just convert a lancer to an Evo.
Focus is Focus, not a REvolution of Focus. And that is where the shortcoming lies.
But Ford cars are built by concensus:
Product Marketing Researchers, Procurement/Finance/Budget managers, than eventually engineers.
The filters are too strong to enable a truly capable car to come out.
AND: what RobEvo said-you need to really witness Evo in rally in EU to understand how much faster the chassis is. Its dominator..period. There is no real competition, the ACD and all the powertrain together make one amazing car.
Figure that Evo IX is still as competitive as Evo X! And Mitsu did redesign a bit when they made Evo X, yet they did not provide a clear-cut advantage, that is how good the CT9A is.
European rally champion Group N is driving Evo IX.
I have driven my TME on backroads with 2011 GT3 RS and 2015 GT3, good drivers...and my TME is very mild car with modest modifications. There was nothing between us in any discipline on the road. GT3 does come alive on track...but on road, a mild Evo is astonishing car.
Of course, Evo can meet performance on track of a GT3 and more...proof is in the WTC and more.
So I started off as Ford Man..my dad had an Escort MK2 RS..and I learned to drive on it, and was practicing to drive in rallies, but especially driving fast on wet roads and taking trips to airstrip to learn to throw the car sideways safely...as in full drift and handbrake turns.
And still today, I keep lurking at Mk2 Escort X-pack (Spezial) that lives near me in California, owned by friend.
What I really would like is WRC Modified Mk2 Escort like the Irish Boys run on Irish Tarmac series.
Surprisingly the Mk2 Escort can still pull WRC top echelon stage times in right conditions.
Back to Focus..I wish it well, but Lancer Evolution is only in shape a Lancer, and most of it is a real REvolution in chassis - which is why its impossible to just convert a lancer to an Evo.
Focus is Focus, not a REvolution of Focus. And that is where the shortcoming lies.
Last edited by alpinaturbo; Mar 30, 2015 at 11:57 PM.
Mar 31, 2015, 04:24 AM
#12
Ford can do better, way better: proof is in the Ford GT.
But Ford cars are built by concensus:
Product Marketing Researchers, Procurement/Finance/Budget managers, than eventually engineers.
The filters are too strong to enable a truly capable car to come out.
AND: what RobEvo said-you need to really witness Evo in rally in EU to understand how much faster the chassis is. Its dominator..period. There is no real competition, the ACD and all the powertrain together make one amazing car.
Figure that Evo IX is still as competitive as Evo X! And Mitsu did redesign a bit when they made Evo X, yet they did not provide a clear-cut advantage, that is how good the CT9A is.
European rally champion Group N is driving Evo IX.
I have driven my TME on backroads with 2011 GT3 RS and 2015 GT3, good drivers...and my TME is very mild car with modest modifications. There was nothing between us in any discipline on the road. GT3 does come alive on track...but on road, a mild Evo is astonishing car.
Of course, Evo can meet performance on track of a GT3 and more...proof is in the WTC and more.
So I started off as Ford Man..my dad had an Escort MK2 RS..and I learned to drive on it, and was practicing to drive in rallies, but especially driving fast on wet roads and taking trips to airstrip to learn to throw the car sideways safely...as in full drift and handbrake turns.
And still today, I keep lurking at Mk2 Escort X-pack (Spezial) that lives near me in California, owned by friend.
What I really would like is WRC Modified Mk2 Escort like the Irish Boys run on Irish Tarmac series.
Surprisingly the Mk2 Escort can still pull WRC top echelon stage times in right conditions.
Back to Focus..I wish it well, but Lancer Evolution is only in shape a Lancer, and most of it is a real REvolution in chassis - which is why its impossible to just convert a lancer to an Evo.
Focus is Focus, not a REvolution of Focus. And that is where the shortcoming lies.
But Ford cars are built by concensus:
Product Marketing Researchers, Procurement/Finance/Budget managers, than eventually engineers.
The filters are too strong to enable a truly capable car to come out.
AND: what RobEvo said-you need to really witness Evo in rally in EU to understand how much faster the chassis is. Its dominator..period. There is no real competition, the ACD and all the powertrain together make one amazing car.
Figure that Evo IX is still as competitive as Evo X! And Mitsu did redesign a bit when they made Evo X, yet they did not provide a clear-cut advantage, that is how good the CT9A is.
European rally champion Group N is driving Evo IX.
I have driven my TME on backroads with 2011 GT3 RS and 2015 GT3, good drivers...and my TME is very mild car with modest modifications. There was nothing between us in any discipline on the road. GT3 does come alive on track...but on road, a mild Evo is astonishing car.
Of course, Evo can meet performance on track of a GT3 and more...proof is in the WTC and more.
So I started off as Ford Man..my dad had an Escort MK2 RS..and I learned to drive on it, and was practicing to drive in rallies, but especially driving fast on wet roads and taking trips to airstrip to learn to throw the car sideways safely...as in full drift and handbrake turns.
And still today, I keep lurking at Mk2 Escort X-pack (Spezial) that lives near me in California, owned by friend.
What I really would like is WRC Modified Mk2 Escort like the Irish Boys run on Irish Tarmac series.
Surprisingly the Mk2 Escort can still pull WRC top echelon stage times in right conditions.
Back to Focus..I wish it well, but Lancer Evolution is only in shape a Lancer, and most of it is a real REvolution in chassis - which is why its impossible to just convert a lancer to an Evo.
Focus is Focus, not a REvolution of Focus. And that is where the shortcoming lies.
yep. but i still have faith in the RS. i just literally want another great awd turbo car on market. The RS has a potential to deliver that promise. I am just wishing the Mazda 3 would do a same as they did back in the days. And the awd polo turbo would. be nice too. then i think the rally finally would make sense for many people in the USA also...
Last edited by Robevo RS; Mar 31, 2015 at 04:27 AM.
Mar 31, 2015, 09:28 AM
#15
Oh, big ****ing deal
... group N is dead, and no manufacturer has put the slightest bit of effort into it in nearly a decade. The X was in a lot of ways a step back (towards being a useful DD rather than a homologation car), so no surprise there, and the only other company that cared about Group N was Subaru, and they've also put their effort into making the WRX/STi a better car rather than a homologation special for the 28 people that rally.The Focus RS isn't competing with the IX. Ford isn't benchmarking against a 9 year old car. We might be, but Ford really doesn't give a **** about the Evo, especially not stripped/heavily modded ones.