I'm sorry I don't drop to my knees for the Evo. It's a good car, but so is the Ford Mustang GT350R.

Exactly, you don't personally like Mustangs. That's it. End of issue. Like I said, people who pull out the "status" card are just trying to dress up their personal feelings with some degree of credibility by referring to some subjective trait decided by unidentified people.

The M4 is a different kind of car. It's base price is close to MSRP on the GT350R (with the latter costing around $65,000). If you want it loaded up, you better be prepared to spend $90,000. That's a big price different.

http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m4

The Mustang GT350R was also named the 2016 Road and Track Performance Car of the Year.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...r-of-the-year/


The Evo is also a fan favorite in the tuning crowd, like the Civic.

 

The Evo is not a status car. Yes, it's known for being fast and agile. But it's not a "hey look at what I can afford" car.

 

Rob, GT350R will decimate an M4 on track. I get it you don't like Mustangs; I traditionally haven't either. Are you familiar with the GT350R?

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-...t350r-mustang/

 

exactly that is why I wasn't the one who bought it up here. lol

Its a status car in a tuner segment but not for quality, and the price range where the GT350 goes there needs to be more then just being fast.

Evo is not that league. So in that league the mustang has one thing go for them that is the speed. But all others falls short compere to the others.. So that is why I don't see it as a bargain that is for sure. And we start talking something else already, called value.

so lets focus here what we originally talking about.
The mustang is not the car will "swipe the track" with the price range they selling for.
Also lacks other segments which other cars have. So neither bargan or a swiper. That is my point here. I have no idea how Amby planted the Evo this price range talk but what ever makes him happy. ( the Evo bashing always help on his mood , what ever reason lol )

 

The GT350R is around $65,000 MSRP. That's not expensive. It's cheaper than a lot of other performance cars, including other domestic cars. Clearly Ford has no problem selling the damn things since dealers are asking for double MSRP, and getting it. $65,000 is great value for what you get.

I said "wipe", not swipe. If you're going to address what I said, actually address what I said. The GT350R is faster than cars that cost twice as much money. As Noize said, it'll destroy an M4, a car that costs a minimum of $10,000 more. Unless you're willing to spend $100,000+, you won't find a car that can match the GT350R's performance and has things like luxury as well.

Your "point" appears to be that you don't like Mustangs, and you don't want other people to like Mustangs. You're like the nemsin of Mustangs.

 

I would wait until they will test the M4 against the GT350 or the M4GTS vs GT350R . Hope fully will happen. but I would say it will be far from decimate... will be a good fight, and the BMW still more refined etc. that is the point.

when I go back to drive the RS I will have one if I am right to drive. Not one mustang I liked so far.
Neither the seating positions the view , the steering etc. They all sounds crazy good though. And the new ones start looking nicer and nicer. So I give some props , but still they do lacking in so many things vs other more refined cars.

My family has member has a Ford dealerships almost all bigger town in Hungary, so I do have easy acces to ford, in fact that is ia have always when I am home to drive around.

I do like the new Mondeo TDI. as a DD. But the Mustang... I cant see it.
The Focus RS that is a hole different story.
Well drive one soon so then if that beast GT350 is there I de. give shot .

 

now I will give you that.

but I have a reason which based on my experience here and there.

 

And what do you base this assumption on? I can't find any objective numbers for the M4 that allow one to conclude that it'd be a close fight. Even if it was, that would prove the point some are making. If you want some of the go-fast parts found stock the Mustang from BMW, you gotta pay a hefty premium. A fully loaded M4 is over $90,000. A GTS version would presumably cost even more. Would it outperform the Mustang? Maybe, but it better if it costs $40,000+ more than the Mustang. It would undoubtedly have to give up some of its luxury and refinement to do that, so that "advantage" would be lost.

 

you can get a M4 around $66K- 75 tops in the coupe, you don't need a convertible on track...

http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m4


C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.4 sec
Zero to 150 mpg: 24.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 7.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.4 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited, C/D est): 163 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g


FUEL ECONOMY:

EPA city/highway: 17/26 mpg
C/D observed: 19 mpg

 

And then you gotta start adding things. I just popped over to BMW USA, and MSRP is $70,000, before I added a single thing other than blue paint, and regular black leather.

Want ceramic brakes and adjustable suspension? Now it's $80,000.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/201...-ar165277.html

I'm aware of those numbers, and they're not as good as the GT350R. The GT350R has better objective numbers than the M4, and costs less, MSRP to MSRP.

Want the GTS? Better get ready to spend $134,000+.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bmw/201...-ar165277.html

 

since we stucked the M4 so the comparision the GT305R is the M4 GTS not the base M4 .
The base M4 goes against the GT350. Anyhow

the M4GTS is $135K or bit more I guess depends on the dealer

but here is the impression, and you tell me if the GT350R will swipe this one... And I am still making waves this is just one car out of the many which will not be a swipe for the GT350R as it was claimed not long ago.

just read it:
"Finally, there’s the inevitable new Nürburgring lap time: 7min 28sec. That’s almost 30sec faster than the ordinary M4, and matches the time set by Walter Röhrl in the Porsche Carrera GT (though admittedly that was back in 2004, and at the very least tyre tech has come a long way since then). "

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...road-car-ever/

 

If that's the argument you want to make, cool, the M4 GTS costs more than twice as much as the GT350R, and is a super limited run.

That article tells me nothing, other than basic information like HP. I have no idea if the GT350R will wipe, note, it's wipe not swipe, the tarmac with the M4 GTS, a dedicated track car that costs at least twice as much. What's next, are people are going to pull out track-ready Ferraris that cost $500,000+ and say "well the GT350R can't beat this car"?

Oh great, a Ring time. The GT350R did it in 7:32, 4 seconds slower. For a car that costs less than half as much. Yeah, I'm so unimpressed by the Mustang .

 

Lighting Lap 2014, a Z/28 whipped the crap out of the M4 around V.I.R by almost a full ten seconds. And the R beat the Z/28

I get the refinement thing, I like Bimmers a lot, had a 135i and 335i. But to me, gushing over their quality interiors is being a dash molester. I realize the M is a huge cut above with a real limited slip, but you like Evos. They are no-compromise racecars. The GT350R is right up your alley. It's just a whole lot faster no-compromise racecar, and a performance bargain at $65k. My buddy did not pay some asinine markup.

 

Results: http://m.caranddriver.com/features/l...-times-feature

 

its also gives you a 4 sec faster Nurburgring lap times etc...

It was never about the price remember?
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but it is a fast car t the point we actually argue over it. ( so its undeniably fast) But there are things which makes it very unappealing to me vs other cars for that high price range. You guy said it some dealers selling them over if I remember right someone said around $80 grand. now that is stupid.
Yes the M4 GTS is expensive so as the original GT3 comparison which is even more expensive...

So as I said I just picked on eout of the crowed around the GT3 which also wouldn't be a wipe out on track. That was the original point of mine.
The Wipe out on track for the GT350R is a bit of stretch , that is my point here.