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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 03:19 PM
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And I'm sure both of you make the most environmentally conscious decisions and only install long lasting tires, environmentally friendly brake pads, and certainly wouldn't ever consider tampering with the emissions systems on your Evo. Selective activism is so funny..

Some regulation is not a bad thing. Too much creates barriers to entry and reduces profits. There's a balancing act. The studies the article cites present the alleged offending chemicals as being "potentially" harmful and "possibly/sometimes" making its way into rivers, etc. I love making laws based on things that aren't concrete (/sarcasm). Being ok with all of these small pieces of legislation that seem innocuous will inevitably lead to us not having a viable hobby. (in b4 the slippery slope isnt real)
Nah of course not, this isn't a prius forum after all. I've been daily driving the same car for 15 years though and part of my decision to do that is environmentally related. 10 years of that has been on "biofuel" so that helps a little with the carbon footprint too. I jump through all kinds of hoops to properly dispose of hazardous materials (coolant is hard AF to dispose of properly). I try and buy American as much as possible and a large part of that is because I know things made here are done ethically by workers who are treated well (relatively speaking). I'll leave it there so I don't get too high on the smell of my own farts. I agree that some regulations are bad (politically motivated / corrupt / ill conceived etc.) but the solution to that isn't no regulations it's better regulations. Companies have a much larger impact than individuals do and it's up to "We the People" to see that their profits don't come at the expense of our health, happiness etc..
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo

too many cars come with too much bull**** that is track oriented but the driver never goes on track. let them have eco pads and tires, if they want to be serious about track they're going to have to upgrade both anyway.
If you think they would go after only street-driven vehicles and not sweep us all into the same net, then you may be in for a surprise.
I can't remember any time CA has cracked down on anything "with the exception of...".
This state loves nailing everyone they possibly can. I can definitely imagine any crazy laws/bans being statewide, for all.
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 04:39 PM
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They were floating a bill that would extend the CARB exemption from '72 upto '82 (my fox is an 83 so F me ) but it died. Off road vehicles aren't really regulated the same though, if it's only going to be tracked you can get away with a lot (AFAIK).
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
If you think they would go after only street-driven vehicles and not sweep us all into the same net, then you may be in for a surprise.
I can't remember any time CA has cracked down on anything "with the exception of...".
This state loves nailing everyone they possibly can. I can definitely imagine any crazy laws/bans being statewide, for all.
how does that reconcile with the race tracks and everything? if they do make some large pushes, i would hope to see the larger effective market for racing & race tracks move to texas, az, nm, etc. MO is actually in the process of building one right now, to be completed this summer. Looks pretty interesting too.
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
And I'm sure both of you make the most environmentally conscious decisions and only install long lasting tires, environmentally friendly brake pads, and certainly wouldn't ever consider tampering with the emissions systems on your Evo. Selective activism is so funny..
Right, because we can't possibly regulate the factors that go into 99.99% of miles driven because the 0.01% of enthusiasts might do something different on the 7 weekends a year that they drive their cars. All or nothing! That's one hell of a strawman argument.

For what it's worth, I went out of my way to keep a high flow catalytic converter on my car.

I bet some people even use leaded gasoline at times. We should probably un-ban that while we're at it.

I understand there are ideological things going on here, but it's downright silly to think that requiring automakers to mind the externalities of their mass produced products is unthinkable.

Had GM cared about this, they would have quietly fixed it in the decade between when the regulation was decided and when it went into effect. Given that there are only a few months of orders for specific models from one automaker impacted and apparently every other performance automaker had no problems adapting, I doubt it's some sort of onerous regulation.
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