This was an excellent and encouraging race!

Thankfully, our cars are still one of the best producers of power per dollar out there. If you buy a high mileage non-op evo 8, then purchase all the required parts and install them, i'd venture to say you could have a 1000+ hp evo for under 45k. Maybe even less than that. It just won't be a luxury sedan

 

Yea, I was thinking high estimate maybe 60-80k to duplicate that. Maybe 50-60 to purchase.
One thing I havent come across on youtube is comparing the plaid to other luxury sedans without declaring it the winner because itll run 9s till the battery needs charged. For me, i could list 20+ cars id buy before even considering a tesla, but i really dont know how they stack up in terms of "luxury". How do they compare against high end BMW, Mercedes etc..

 

Amazing!!! Super proud! I have the same exact car just wish it was as fast! I need that transmission.

 

We need a grid to handle all those electric cars which are very expensive and yes strip mining to make those batteries is extremely bad for the environment not to mention what happens to all that battery goodness in a junk yard? We need to go nuclear to support the grid and that's Zero emissions. Also we can capture CO2 from the air and make fuel effectively making all cars carbon neutral. That ends your one time use argument while simultaneous ending a carbon footprint.


https://news.stanford.edu/2022/02/09...e-efficiently/

If the source of energy to power these cars doesn’t come from solar panels, wind turbines or even nuclear or hydroelectric, their CO2 emissions will be much higher. For instance, if the electricity used to charge cars comes from the burning of fossil fuels, it doesn’t matter if the EC are not polluting while being driven, as this pollution was already released in some distant power plant. This means that if you’re driving an electric car in the US, where fossil fuels are 62,7% of the country’s energy production in 2017, you’ll probably release more CO2 into the atmosphere than if you’re driving it in Iceland, that runs almost completely on hydro, geothermal and solar energy. Because electric cars store their energy in large batteries (the larger they are, the bigger their range is) that have high environmental costs. This happens because these batteries are constructed of rare earth elements (REE) like lithium, nickel, cobalt or graphite that only exist beneath the surface of the Earth and therefore depend on mining activities with very polluting processes.

For instance, to produce 1 ton of REE, 75 tons of acid waste (that isn’t always handled in the right way) and 1 tone of radioactive residues are also made, according to the Chinese Society of Rare Earths. Apart from the weight of the REE, the energy used to produce the batteries themselves is also responsible for nearly half of their environmental impact since most of this energy doesn’t come from low carbon sources. in the conventional car industry, according to a study from the international council of clean transportation (ICCT), 99% of lead-acid batteries (the ones running in fossil fuel powered cars) are recycled in the US. This is not the case for the lithium-ion batteries that have a very specific mix of chemical components and little quantities of lithium, which doesn’t make them an appealing market opportunity. For instance, in the EU market, in 2011, only 5% of lithium was being collected and the rest was either incinerated or dumped in landfills (this specifically doesn’t make electric cars greener at all), as it was Not justified by price or regulations to recover it by hydrometallurgical processes.


That said electric cars are not cheap, require a long time to charge so long trips are out, are in no way green or even pretend to be, and nobody talks about what happens to the range of these things in cold weather but it drops like a rock.

 

As much as I would love to keep arguing about this, ultimately its a pointless waste of time. All the people that matter ( including fossil fuel companies ) have already concluded that electric mobility is the future. We are all just along for the ride.

 

There is no argument, I'm saying that electric cars aren't magically green and C02 free. Also when places like California are asking residents to not charge their cars as their renewable energy grid can't even handle air conditioners and has controlled brown outs to save the grid, it is only a matter of time through electronic update that we cannot even charge our cars unless the government says so, effectively controlling personal transportation. Pretty soon California won't be "asking" any more and will be demanding and eventually send out auto updates to your cars where you simply cannot plug it in for a charge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/u...-charging.html


Nuclear Grid? Easy Peasey, Renewable with windmills? Not a chance.

 

It's funny because I see EV's in the complete opposite light.

You want independence? You will never brew your own fuel at home. You can however move to the right place, buy enough solar and batteries, and be completely energy independent.

Worried about the grid being unreliable? An EV is just a big *** power wall on wheels. Today you can go buy a setup that would allow you to run your house for days off an EV should the grid fail.

In the future, the EVs will be a part of the smart grid. They will be able to take and give power as the needs of the owner and the grid allow.

Regardless of EVs the grid needs upgrading. Yes to everything, nuclear, solar, wind, wave, geo, hydro, compact nuclear, fusion etc..

 

Maybe if your a fruitloop that lives in cali. Anywhere else on the planet that will never be the case.

 

Your ignorance is comical.

 

There are major car manufacturers (most popular thread here) which are avoiding significant investment in electric production/research. The hydrogen powered vehicles they are testing are very interesting.

 

If you are talking about Toyota, they are one of the leaders in solid state battery development.

 

The sentiment towards EVs feels a lot like the sentiment toward DCTs and automatic transmissions 5-10 years ago: A lot of people hate them on ideological grounds and come do mental gymnastics to justify their their stance.

EVs are great. I personally think I'll be keeping one gas engine vehicle in the garage for a long time, but bring on the EVs for my primary around-town car. Like Biggisacks said, it's really cool to charge your EV from power generated right at home. The next generation of vehicle-to-grid cars will also be great for things like time-shifting energy consumption so you can use your own daytime solar generated power through the night if you want. The old stories about EVs being worse for the environment never really amounted to much once you looked into their "research" and lithium battery recycling is a hot R&D topic. A lot of the concerns people raise are just a failure to realize that a lot of R&D is going into addressing these problems. Technology gets better over time.

 

They did well with the Prius but haven’t pushed full electric production and don’t plan to in the next few years, which is opposite the trend.

Personally I think the EVs coming out are super impressive. I had a chance to drive a buddies Taycan and it was a rocket! That said there are numerous drawbacks and potential to do significantly better.

 

Man. I'm all for clowning on California/Californians and a lot of things leftist. But at least do it intelligently.

EV's suck. The major advancement they need is for capacitors to replace the battery. And even then, I don't think you'll ever be able to charge them like filing up in a vehicle that burns its own fuel. Charging makes heat, and that heat has to be managed with massive cooling systems or by regulating the rate of charge.

From a "holy **** this thing is quick", and a vehicle you drive to/from work less than 200 miles a day aspect, they're pretty good. I won't speak on the emissions differences because I'm not well read on that topic, and you can find info that points either direction on it. But some of the anti-EV stuff is pretty silly, like trying to say the trucks/equipment used to transport parts and raw materials all burn fossil fuels... Well, currently those same truck and equipment move fossil fuel vehicle material and parts too. And if you don't think the giant machinery in a mine could one day be electric as well, you're a fool. You can put a big *** battery where that 20L diesel power plant is.

Oh well. The future is coming. I will also always have something that burns dead dinosaurs and corn until the day I die. Because racecars that sound like RC cars just aren't cool.

 

Here's the thing...

Y'all are thinking Flintstones when I think you should be thinking Jetsons:


https://global.honda/innovation/adva...gy/evtol1.html



https://www.nasa.gov/aeroresearch/na...draws-interest

That's why I said "Electric Mobility" and not Electric cars. Electric bikes are super hot right now too, and for a lot of people electric mobility won't be cars.