I dont even care what VW owners think about Evo Sti, or SRT vice versa., i bought the car because i want to have all season fun... i like the engine and its easy to modify to make it quick, I also had vw jetta before most of them go for show and shine! i had to many problems with electrical and suspension so i sold the sucker. ( Its always like that, if you dont have same car as your club they bash your ride )_..oh well - like your car is f..great.

 

I think that the issue goes a bit deeper. There is a Eurocentric bias that the magazines and German car owners have against Japanese cars that creates some ridiculous comparisons and "qualitative" statements. They always default to the "superior" fit and finish, point tot he turbo-lag, etc, and generally try and make the Evo and the Sti sound like raw, unrefined cars only fit for pimply 16 year olds. It's crazy. The chassis dynamics, balance, and handling poise of the Evo is FAR superior to that of the R32. Undeniable. Also, quality of plastic and aluminum does not necessarily reflect fit and finish. For all of the blandness of the Evo's interior, the actual fit and finish, how the interior holds together, is fine. Also, the magazine writers that worship the R32 and slam the Evo seem to have no idea how to drive a turbocharged car and keep it in the power band. For instance they quote the r32's superior acceleration numbers in 5th...If you were "racing" an R32 in your Evo, you would downshift to 4th to accelerate, just like you would against any larger displacement car, such as a mustang mach 1, etc....The Europhiles suffer from the a priori assumption that German cars are "just better", and there is nothing that can be done about the small ego and arrogance that drives these assumptions, I know, I used to be one, having owned an E-36 M3, a 740il, a Corrado Vr6, and a gen 2 GTI 16V. We just need to enjoy our superior performance with a smile.


Percy

 

"the m3 sucks" ...sigh...

Anyways, to stay on point there are always going to be haters despite what car they drive. VW, or also in the sad statement above, an Evo owner .

 

The m3 is in a totally different market, and isnt a fair comparison. The purpose of the evo and m3 are very different.

The prettier interior does have its cons, like navigation, comfy leather bucket seats, and great qaulity, and the fit and finish on the m3 is quite good for the most part. Plus for a inline 6 to have 333 hp and a 8k redline is pretty cool too in my opinion.

 

i like new m3 they look awesome, m5 is huge and whatever they say about japanise cars i dont even care, take a honda, for example un-modified and vw unmodified will see for how long you will drive that vw without a problem...

 

I've owned VW's for years and thought they were the sh*t until I drove a DSM. Thats all it took and I was switched. If you compair build quality of a 91 GTI to a 91 GSX its like night and day. The VW has rattles, rust, no power anything; the mitsu on the other hand has AWD, power everything, automatic seat belts and lots of other creature comforts. Don't get me wrong I didn't by any VW or DSM for comfort. Currently I'm building a VR6 Turbo to be my drag car and I'm daily driving a 91 GSX which I put about 800 miles per week on and all I do is change the oil. When it's time is up I will be replacing it with an EVO 8 or MR, not an R32.

I looked at the pros and cons of getting the R32 compaired to the EVO and the ONLY thing I could think of that would allow me to get the R was looks, I just don't find the EVO astetically appealing. Everything else was in favor of the EVO, handeling, brakes, interior (recaros), power, upgradablity, far superior AWD system and the list goes on.

 

Well my homie has an 89 integra wil 211k or so and I have a 98 Jetta with 100k, they both run fine still. His disributor went `bout 80k ago and my water pump was replaced under warrenty at 60k.

Consumer reports backs you guys up. They dont rate the VW`s very high on fit and finish, or quality of parts. But I do agree with the magazine reviews in that the R32 is a car more fit for everyday driving, meaning that its much quiter with a less jolting ride. My VW gets way less road noise than any of my friends cars, that includes that 89 integra, a 95 Integra GSR, 95 integra LS, Miata, Camero, and a 93 escort wagon.

I rather enjoy the silence, much more than 3000 watts of 15inch sub shakin my kidneys all the way to the dialysis clinic

BMW interiors dont just look nice, they are quiet like a Mo Fo.

 

Explain to me the dynamics of this

and just how it is

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I considered 2 German cars back when I was car shopping. I was really interested in the R32. The fit and finish was pretty damn good, along w/ a sweet engine sound. The engine bay was a bit cramped though, and the higher cost to modify kind of turned me off. What really got me was the fact that it took 6.5 seconds to get to 60, and for nearly a 35k gti...it seemed like a waste. My next German car choice was an M3. Not an E46 but an E36 or even an E30 (the old-school M3's are so damn hot ) I was actually going to get my mothers Imola red E36 M3, which has been babied for probably all of its 60k miles. It was in excellent condition due to my detailing over the years, athankyou. I absolutely love that car, but the thought of driving an F/R setup in the winter did not seem like a wise idea. Then I found out about the Evo and WRx/ STi. It was all over after I test drove the Evo. No regrets here.

 

i consider the evo's awd superior in that it is all-time awd. the r32's is, what, a fwd system that engages its rear wheels when it senses slippage....


anyway, to the person who said otherwise, i don't consider cars like the Ms and the amgs to be "race-ready" cars; a race car doesn't have all those amenities.

also, there's just something about a hatchback that, to me, looks SO immature, and INCREDIBLY high-school. MORESO--again, to me--than the evo/sti. i can't imagine anyone taking themselves as a serious "luxury owner" if their car is a hatchback of any sort. i just can't get my head around it for some reason. the r32 is a boring looking conservative car. people think the evo looks like a lancer? can these same people even remotely pick out an r32 on the road? i doubt it.

i dunno, i just think the r32's a waste of money. you get entry level luxury and mid-range performance. nice sounding exhaust though. too bad neons are faster

 

Mad Jerry -

The far superior AWD is very simple to explain. The R32 is predominantly a FWD car until traction is lost and the center diff routes power to the rear. The Evo is a 50/50 split all the time. Hope that helps.

 

I see, or as they say in Japanese, naruhodo.....

Thanks for the clarification

Adding to that though the VW website claims that power is transfered to the rear under acceleration as well.

 

hahahaha!ROFL!

 

Think of it this way... they got jewed into paying 30k for a car with only 240 hp that runs about the same time as a standard WRX or SRT-4 which both cost 7-10 grand less...

Wouldn't you try to come up with something about your car that makes it comparable to Evo's and STi's ???

 

The power is transferred to the rear under acceleration because the front tires give up with pretty much anything over 200 hp. This is one of the biggest drawbacks (along with weight distribution) of FWD cars' performance.