Official Winged Warrior Ii. (2006) Merged
Originally Posted by DSMSSQUASHEVOS
June better come quick because i am so pumped for Spring Break and this shootout!!! By the way is Accolade the one doing the website or is it someone else?
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
. . . and you dont want a Stock Viper to get smoked by a Stock Neon on 20 treadwear slicks!
Kevin
Kevin
If you limit tire choice too much you run the risk of turning away alot of cars that could dominate the race. Autocross cars and drag cars. A lot of people have put lots of time and $$$ into perfecting their car's setup to run on a certain type of tires. I just think that to ask them to spend even more R&D time and money to optimize their car on a totally different type of tire will cause some folks to lose interest.
I just wanted to share my opinion. I am sure you guys have thought this all through many times. I can't wait till the web page is ready!
EVOlutionary
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
we have the list of approved, and BANNED tires which will be up when the website is ready, the construction takes a while to do. Should be up and ready within 2 weeks. That is where you sign up, read the rules, and events, and times to check in/Spec. etc... Hold on Killa, I know where you live, and any more Techinical questions before the website is up, might yield you an AWD lawn job!!!
Hahah I'll be sure to put the tack strips down tonight because here comes another one! Are the different classes going to have some sort of adjustment factor as far as points go? I do alittle SCCA solo II and they break things down in classes according to mods and what not. The only difference is that there are winners in each divisions.....the points are not combined to have a USA vs. Import competition.
For Instance....my car is not going to be running 600hp like the people in the most extreme class....so therefore it would be in my best interest to run in a lower class I assume? From what I'm seeing...for the overall import vs. usa competiton there it doesn;t make any difference what class you run since all points are weighted the same.
As you can tell i;m confused and just am trying to figure out how things work! I don;t see myself pulling off anything too insane with the drags, but shouldn;t do too bad with events involving footwork.
Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
Yes, actually this I believe is exactly what you want. An autocross Neon could run rings around a Viper with street tires in the AX portion of the event, but the Viper could whoop it in the drag portion. It would actually be a very close competition overall and the winner would be the one with the most points out of all the events.
If you limit tire choice too much you run the risk of turning away alot of cars that could dominate the race. Autocross cars and drag cars. A lot of people have put lots of time and $$$ into perfecting their car's setup to run on a certain type of tires. I just think that to ask them to spend even more R&D time and money to optimize their car on a totally different type of tire will cause some folks to lose interest.
I just wanted to share my opinion. I am sure you guys have thought this all through many times. I can't wait till the web page is ready!
EVOlutionary
If you limit tire choice too much you run the risk of turning away alot of cars that could dominate the race. Autocross cars and drag cars. A lot of people have put lots of time and $$$ into perfecting their car's setup to run on a certain type of tires. I just think that to ask them to spend even more R&D time and money to optimize their car on a totally different type of tire will cause some folks to lose interest.
I just wanted to share my opinion. I am sure you guys have thought this all through many times. I can't wait till the web page is ready!
EVOlutionary
It will be fun nonetheless. I understand what you are saying EVOlutionary, and in a spectator venue, I am there with you all the way. Wait till the rules are up, read them, and if you want to toss your hat in the ring, do it. If not, I appreciate you looking in!
I would NOT ask someone who is comfortable with their set-up to change it, and Make themselves UNCOMFORTABLE with the set up, but then again, some already would change what had to be changed to get in this thing. We aren't per se running a 2-3 mile road course here, so the balance/setup wont be off and make the car unstable in the 6 events listed. just my 2c.
Last edited by smokedmustang; Jan 11, 2006 at 03:11 AM.
Originally Posted by KillaSweep
Hahah I'll be sure to put the tack strips down tonight because here comes another one! Are the different classes going to have some sort of adjustment factor as far as points go? I do alittle SCCA solo II and they break things down in classes according to mods and what not. The only difference is that there are winners in each divisions.....the points are not combined to have a USA vs. Import competition.
For Instance....my car is not going to be running 600hp like the people in the most extreme class....so therefore it would be in my best interest to run in a lower class I assume? From what I'm seeing...for the overall import vs. usa competiton there it doesn;t make any difference what class you run since all points are weighted the same.
As you can tell i;m confused and just am trying to figure out how things work! I don;t see myself pulling off anything too insane with the drags, but shouldn;t do too bad with events involving footwork.
For Instance....my car is not going to be running 600hp like the people in the most extreme class....so therefore it would be in my best interest to run in a lower class I assume? From what I'm seeing...for the overall import vs. usa competiton there it doesn;t make any difference what class you run since all points are weighted the same.
As you can tell i;m confused and just am trying to figure out how things work! I don;t see myself pulling off anything too insane with the drags, but shouldn;t do too bad with events involving footwork.
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Originally Posted by Eclipse2Lancer
So I probably can't run the Pirelli P Zero Nero's I planned on getting, huh?
Maybe I would need to go with the Toyo Proxes RA1......hmmmmm
Maybe I would need to go with the Toyo Proxes RA1......hmmmmm
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Originally Posted by racerjon1
Yea.. wrinkle wall would be carnage on the slalom.. but would be fun to watch (yes just kidding)
One Lap of America tire rules are treadwear 140 and above, and rules out any of the r compounds.
Toyo Proxy RA1, Yokohama A032R and A048, treadwear rating of 60
Kumho victoracer, treadwear rating of 50
Avon R compound, Hoosier R Compound, treadwear rating of 40
Kumho V710 treadwear rating of 30
Essentially, a minimum treadwear rating of 89 and above will kill all R compound autocross/roadrace tires, and DOT Drag radials.
The only "problem" I see with this is, the autocrossers that do come and have their cars set up on a specific tire may not have as good a set up with a street tire.
With my CRX I optimized shock valving to the tire, when Hoosier changed tires, my car felt like a$$. Tires fault.. nope, but the shock valving just didn't work.
The other problem is, many of the people that do own R compounds might not have a tire worth a darn as a street tire, and might make it tougher to justify going, or buying a good set of street tires for the event.
For instance, the above mentioned CRX (that autocrossed on 225/50/13s) I own has street tires in 175/70/13, and are el cheapo. Some WRXs and such might be driving around on their OEM crapola tires.
So.. let R compounds in, but make people get the tires stamped as mentioned. (so that Faster Hoosier and such tires make them give up time on the drag course) and do away with wrinkle walls because of safety issues.
Jon K
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One Lap of America tire rules are treadwear 140 and above, and rules out any of the r compounds.
Toyo Proxy RA1, Yokohama A032R and A048, treadwear rating of 60
Kumho victoracer, treadwear rating of 50
Avon R compound, Hoosier R Compound, treadwear rating of 40
Kumho V710 treadwear rating of 30
Essentially, a minimum treadwear rating of 89 and above will kill all R compound autocross/roadrace tires, and DOT Drag radials.
The only "problem" I see with this is, the autocrossers that do come and have their cars set up on a specific tire may not have as good a set up with a street tire.
With my CRX I optimized shock valving to the tire, when Hoosier changed tires, my car felt like a$$. Tires fault.. nope, but the shock valving just didn't work.
The other problem is, many of the people that do own R compounds might not have a tire worth a darn as a street tire, and might make it tougher to justify going, or buying a good set of street tires for the event.
For instance, the above mentioned CRX (that autocrossed on 225/50/13s) I own has street tires in 175/70/13, and are el cheapo. Some WRXs and such might be driving around on their OEM crapola tires.
So.. let R compounds in, but make people get the tires stamped as mentioned. (so that Faster Hoosier and such tires make them give up time on the drag course) and do away with wrinkle walls because of safety issues.
Jon K
www.racerjon.com
It's a street car event. So guys should be on their street tires. If your street tires are no good we're giving 6 months warning right now what our rules are.
We don't want to see how your full race setup for autocross runs, you can check that at any SCCA event every weekend all summer long. We want to see how fast you are outside of the 1% of the time you have it maxxed out to drive at an autocross.
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Crissy, send an e-mail to bwgoodwi@iupui.edu as well. This is Brody...captain usa or whatever you want to call me for the event. 
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
I understand your concern, and the tire rules are NOT that restrictive . . .
Originally Posted by BQuicksilver
Our tire rules are (in short) 100 treadwear and above.
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EVOlutionary
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Originally Posted by BQuicksilver
Crissy, send an e-mail to bwgoodwi@iupui.edu as well. This is Brody...captain usa or whatever you want to call me for the event.
Originally Posted by KillaSweep
Alrighty cool.....sounds good kevin. Looking forward to it!
Machwon, I didn't get the e-mail, nor a PM, please re-submit.
oh I'm looking for the A game to be present at the next event....with any luck i'll have some sway bars on to help combat the little amount of understeer I was having last time....if i had them on then I would have been around the 2nd 3rd of the track wwaayyy faster. It was plowing worse than my car on a snowy day...haha!
Originally Posted by KillaSweep
oh I'm looking for the A game to be present at the next event....with any luck i'll have some sway bars on to help combat the little amount of understeer I was having last time....if i had them on then I would have been around the 2nd 3rd of the track wwaayyy faster. It was plowing worse than my car on a snowy day...haha!
I slightly 4 wheel drifted someone's Evo at about 50-60mph....that was FUN! No understeer there!
