Yeah. The ethanol and No ethanol are right next to each other and there's a big red sign on the No Ethanol one, so its pretty obvious.

As for which is better and why it would seem markeddy would be better served to answer that, due to his previous post about non-oxygenated stations. If him or anyone else would like to chime in that'd be great as I would also like to know.

 

The non-oxygenated (no ethanol) is probably leaded gas for vehicles designed before unleaded became the norm. It's also used for various small engines. Leaded might screw up your O2 sensors over time by clogging your cat (if you still have one!). Should be a warning on the pump if it is. I'm still using Holiday 93 octane since a couple stations in the cities still have it. The two in my area are the Lakeville station off I-35 and the Shakopee station off 169 and Canterbury Rd. Works great for me.

 

I think you have it wrong. Ethanol gas is not as good as non ethanol gas because it's a mixtures of ethanol and gas. The only benefit to it would be it's friendly to the environment. Etanol gas was know to cause problems with older cars. I just found some information on the internet. According to this link if you get non ethanol gas you will get more mpg and tells you about some other crap like how ethanol damages smaller engines. I will try non ethanol gas next week and see if there's any difference. If there is, that Shell on 169 and Rockford will be making some money off of me because I spend like 40 bucks a week on gas.

http://www.americasdebate.com/forums...howtopic=11250

 

More money from me to if that's the case. I don't have an EVO but the Nissan is running like crap and could use some decent go juice once in a while. Not to mention spark plugs, new filter, oil change, blah blah blah...

 

I read an article in a Popular Science magazine awhile ago about 100% pure ethanol. It does not have an octane rating but if it did it would be similar to 110 octane so it could be great for turbocharged cars. The biggest problem is that ethanol is like methanol in that it requires a greater amount of fuel to run at the same A/F ratio. For those of us with fuel and timing control, 100% pure ethanol could be a very viable alternative. The other factor is its corrosiveness on rubber parts although I am not positive on that as I read the article quite a few months ago.

 

Don't really know what I have wrong. Everything I said is correct. You MAY be able to get better gas mileage w/ non-oxygenated fuel, I made no claims to that in either case. My point is that if you run LEADED fuel in your car, you may end up with problems since your environmental controls (such as the cat and the associated O2 sensors) will become inoperable. MN has a law mandating only oxygenated fuel can be run in street cars unless they have an engine system not capable of running it (older classic vehicles primarily). Thus the stickers you see on all the non-oxygenated pumps warning that it is only for specific types of vehicles. It just so happens that most non-oxygenated fuel also happens to be leaded, since it's target consumers primarily have vehicles that also cannot run unleaded fuel. You can certainly run leaded/non-oxygenated fuel if you want, and you may get better mileage as well. Just know that it's illegal to do so for most street legal vehicles.

 

Just for informational purposes the Sunco 100 and 110 octane over there was labeled Unleaded.
Now, the 92 Octance No-Ethanol i'm not sure about. It was on the same pump, right next to the regular 92 V-power though. I guess that doesn't mean it is Unleaded, so i'll have to check that out. Like i said just some info for whoever is interested.

 

People fill up using the NON-Ethanol gas here all the time. I used it for a while in my MR. I really wasn't paying attention to the mileage though.

Remember NON-Oxygenated gas uses the same style nozzle as any other. I would think that since the warning stickers say to use it in high performance cars, motorcycles, and snowmobiles that it's because those types of performance engines are running a HIGH COMPRESSION.

I don't recall what the Evo is running for compression, something like 9:1...alot of the older muscle cars are running 10:1, 10.5:1, or 11:1 compression.

You can't fill up a modern day car like ours on a leaded pump gas because the nozzle is too big to fit, I have verified this at a pump just for the sake of knowing.

 

I don't believe that Non-Oxygenated and Non-ethanol gas is = LEADED.

I wouldn't throw E85 in an EVO, but you can certainly run Non-oxygenated or Non-Ethanol gas in it without hurting it.

 

Thanks for the info. Now that you mentioned it, i remember that way back in the day when the leaded gas had the bigger nozzle. Geez am i getting that old.

 

Non-oxygenated and Non-ethanol gas is still unleaded and it comes in 92 octane.

 

Have you noticed any performance gains?

 

hey guys, i was just curious to see how many evo owners from mn are modded.

 

also, how many have ran their evos at the track (stock or mods) and what were the times?

 

Wow - I didn't realise the MN area of EvoM had gotten this busy. I guess that serves me right for spending the winter over on the MR2 forums.

Noah clossed the Speedlab shop Hopkins because he wanted to focus more on real race cars. He doesn't mind working with newer high performance vehicles, but now he takes them by appointment only. When I last talked with him he was looking to change over to trackside support & race car prep as his primary focus. I guess after all the time he has spent working on clean, well maintained race cars, rusty old tunner cars aren't much fun.

My defection to the MR2 forums for the winter has been project based. I'm in the process of building a v6 MR2 that I needs to be ready for the track this spring. With any luck, I will be using the MR2 to compete in NASA's Midwest Time Trials series this year. If you're interested in finding out about regional NASA track-day events, drop me a line.