Chicago VishnuTuning Day - Planning
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Well, since you say Shiv isn't interested in tuning cars without the XEDE then I'll just come for the dyno pulls. I'll have AMS input their settings on my car and see how well it does against Shiv's settings. This should be an interesting meet for all Evo owners.
I'm still favorable to the AEM EMS because I've seen cars (some who are my teammates) do well with it so in no way is my SAFR my final tuning tool.
I'm still favorable to the AEM EMS because I've seen cars (some who are my teammates) do well with it so in no way is my SAFR my final tuning tool.
Originally posted by heshamnaim
so come and watch the tuning session and you will see
so come and watch the tuning session and you will see
Originally posted by Hammerli
Let me know how many people will be there with a set-up as close to mine (Buschur stage 4) as possible that need a minimum of three boost and fuel maps for between 91 and 103 octane. And since I can't get any tuning done, what's the point, since if I am going to go with any other type of engine management, it will be the EMS, which IMO is far better than the Xede.
Let me know how many people will be there with a set-up as close to mine (Buschur stage 4) as possible that need a minimum of three boost and fuel maps for between 91 and 103 octane. And since I can't get any tuning done, what's the point, since if I am going to go with any other type of engine management, it will be the EMS, which IMO is far better than the Xede.
You went with a 1320 setup and thats fine it seems that your priorities are significantly different from these guys. I have a feeling that shivs tuning techniques might not fit your expectaions in this regard
damn now i have to decide. I was about to order a cf hood...but i need to get the rest of the stage one....dump-back and cam gears... i wouldn't mind if we waited till spring...then i could get both...ha ha
Not sure where you are from, but around here must of us run race gas on track days. I don't do 1/4s, and I am not sure WITH you are referring to with that remark. SAFC might not be right for you, but I have driven several Supras, RX-7s and others at track days with similar or same device. Maybe you've succumbed to the hype and are in the erroneous belief there is only one good tuning solution for all cars and situations.
Originally posted by MP5
Well your sure right thats a much better choice than a SAFC You went with a 1320 setup and thats fine it seems that your priorities are significantly different from these guys. I have a feeling that shivs tuning techniques might not fit your expectaions in this regard
Well your sure right thats a much better choice than a SAFC
You went with a 1320 setup and thats fine it seems that your priorities are significantly different from these guys. I have a feeling that shivs tuning techniques might not fit your expectaions in this regard
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Originally posted by Hammerli
Not sure where you are from, but around here must of us run race gas on track days. I don't do 1/4s, and I am not sure WITH you are referring to with that remark. SAFC might not be right for you, but I have driven several Supras, RX-7s and others at track days with similar or same device. Maybe you've succumbed to the hype and are in the erroneous belief there is only one good tuning solution for all cars and situations.
Not sure where you are from, but around here must of us run race gas on track days. I don't do 1/4s, and I am not sure WITH you are referring to with that remark. SAFC might not be right for you, but I have driven several Supras, RX-7s and others at track days with similar or same device. Maybe you've succumbed to the hype and are in the erroneous belief there is only one good tuning solution for all cars and situations.
Shiv
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Hesh, just finish up your setup before you go with the hood. A CF hood doesn't look that good on a black car IMO. One of my teammates used to have a black Prelude with an OEM-style CF hood. It didn't look good.
Shiv, I have no doubt that your system is good. I know that you will do wonders for these guys when the time comes for you to come down. I just prefer to go a different route because of what I've witnessed from other cars I know, but I will go and support your system as one of the better ways for tuning.
Peace.
Shiv, I have no doubt that your system is good. I know that you will do wonders for these guys when the time comes for you to come down. I just prefer to go a different route because of what I've witnessed from other cars I know, but I will go and support your system as one of the better ways for tuning.
Peace.
Amazing, I get a response here, but not when I am interested in buying product 
. Next time before you jump in, read all the pertinent posts. The suggestion was that my boost controller and air/fuel device somehow were only relevant in the context of drag racing. If you are backing that remark, then don't bother reading on, since that is crap. I stated, and still believe that the AEM EMS is a better system than the Xede, and that would be the logical upgrade at this point given my situation. But apparently you are aware of what is best for me and so can judge whether statements are erroneous. 
I stand by my statement that there is no "best" tuning solution across the board. Since you are in CA, and I am in MI doing mod changes and upgrades frequently, tuning through the mail regardless of the tuner is the worst scenario for me.
. Next time before you jump in, read all the pertinent posts. The suggestion was that my boost controller and air/fuel device somehow were only relevant in the context of drag racing. If you are backing that remark, then don't bother reading on, since that is crap. I stated, and still believe that the AEM EMS is a better system than the Xede, and that would be the logical upgrade at this point given my situation. But apparently you are aware of what is best for me and so can judge whether statements are erroneous. I stand by my statement that there is no "best" tuning solution across the board. Since you are in CA, and I am in MI doing mod changes and upgrades frequently, tuning through the mail regardless of the tuner is the worst scenario for me.
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
There is nothing erroneous about suggesting a engine control system with ignition timing and boost control is better than one without. Anyone who believes otherwise is the one falling prey to "hype". Let's not get into that debate here please.
Shiv
There is nothing erroneous about suggesting a engine control system with ignition timing and boost control is better than one without. Anyone who believes otherwise is the one falling prey to "hype". Let's not get into that debate here please.
Shiv
Last edited by Hammerli; Oct 17, 2003 at 02:46 PM.
Mike though...saying a cf hood won't look good on black is saying the wing doesn't look good on black....i personally like the wing...and i am in need of a new hood due to hail damage. I could opt to buy the factory hood or a CF hood. your right normally i would never think of a cf hood. but i am in the place where i have 1350 of insurance money for the hood to either put towards a new hood or go performance..either way i am still needing a hood.. i got the rest of the dents on my car fixed except the hood. so now i have a beautiful tarmac evo with a dented hood...
ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!! i hate deciding things
ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!! i hate deciding things
Last edited by heshamnaim; Oct 17, 2003 at 02:56 PM.
Ok gang if you read through this thread you will notice that I sent questions to Shiv back in August related to the logistics of setting up a tuning day in Chicago. I never received specifics until tonight. Here his email,
The bottom line was that I was quoted $150 per car by the Porsche Exchange. Even if you didn't think of the following let me that this is their price w/o anyone else adding cost. I'm not an expert, nor do I believe that there is a great deal competition in the Chicago market to hold down costs. Thus I can go back and demand a lower price. Comments?
This is the first time I have been told what Vishnu's price is for tuning outside of their own shop. Surprise!
By not addressing my questions in August, in later emails and voice mail I am made to look like the fool.
I'm done venting…for now.
Here's the standard deal with tuning days. First, it's important to get a good price on the dyno. If you negotiate a per-day price, it usually works out the best. For example, all the dyno tuning sessions we've conducted have cost $750-1000/day as far as dyno rental goes. This gets spread out among the 10 entrants to $75-100. IMHO, 150 per car is a bit too much since each car only needs an hour or so on the dyno. The unlimited deal really has no benefit.
As for our tuning charges, we're looking at 300/car. This will cover our standard in-house dyno tuning fee of $200/hour plus travel fare, boarding, etc,.
For the tuning day, we'll only tune XEDEs or ECU reflashes. No AFCs or EBCs I'm afraid. They just don't have the resolution or flexibility needed to tune these cars properly. There is nothing else that needs to be brought. For the dyno, the shop will have to provide someone to operate the computer as well as strap the cars down. I can bring XEDEs and my ECU reflashing system for people who don't have anything and want to get into the dyno day. Price for the XEDE is $895 and ECU reflash is $495. Lemme know if you or anyone else has any more questions.
Cheers,
shiv
As for our tuning charges, we're looking at 300/car. This will cover our standard in-house dyno tuning fee of $200/hour plus travel fare, boarding, etc,.
For the tuning day, we'll only tune XEDEs or ECU reflashes. No AFCs or EBCs I'm afraid. They just don't have the resolution or flexibility needed to tune these cars properly. There is nothing else that needs to be brought. For the dyno, the shop will have to provide someone to operate the computer as well as strap the cars down. I can bring XEDEs and my ECU reflashing system for people who don't have anything and want to get into the dyno day. Price for the XEDE is $895 and ECU reflash is $495. Lemme know if you or anyone else has any more questions.
Cheers,
shiv
This is the first time I have been told what Vishnu's price is for tuning outside of their own shop. Surprise!
By not addressing my questions in August, in later emails and voice mail I am made to look like the fool.
I'm done venting…for now.
$150 is way two much when we are expecting a minimum of 10 cars. Shiv is correct in saying we should reserve the dyno for the day or two vs. per car. I know a couple of two wheel dynos that charge $75 for the initial hour and $50.00 per additional hours regardless of how many cars are run. 12hrs= $625 v.s. 10 cars at $1500. Get some quotes from the surrounding states that have an all-wheel dyno (ex. Payne Industries) and compare.
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Hesh, the optional factory wing isn't carbon fiber all around so it's not like purchasing a carbon fiber hood, which is carbon fiber all around (and maybe some fiber glass depending on who you buy it from). You also have to consider that the carbon fiber used by Mitsubishi is quite good, but can you assure the same quality for the hood? One way or the other, hail will definitely destroy your car if you don't have a garage to keep your car from the elements. It can happen again so you have to make sure you purchase your CF hood from a reputable company, but how often does it hail from where you live? I'm just giving you my opinion that's all. It's ultimately your decision. If I was you, I'd just get a regular hood and finish the stage 1, but that's just me. I'm all about 'go then show' than anything else. I have dings and scratches on my car, but I'm not fixing them until I get my HKS turbo and intercooler kit. Hehehe! 
Not positive!
I have the RMR intake, AMS intercooler and am about to purchase the full turbo back HKS HI-Power exhaust. Debating on if I sould get the Monster DP instead og the HKS. Anyway, I would need to instale the stock airbox correct? Not sure if I want to do this! I was contemplating the Greddy e-manage instead. Sway me to believe and I amy purchase the X-Ede. Later!
Well, what if we look elsewhere. I suppose it doesn't have to be in the Chicagoland area. Are there any AWD dynojets in Milwaukee? Or maybe in IN?
I'll get in touch w/ Dynojet and ask if there are any AWD models relatively close by, besides Porsche Exchange.
I'll get in touch w/ Dynojet and ask if there are any AWD models relatively close by, besides Porsche Exchange.