FYI for those fearful of the tuneability of the MR's SST:

http://hpamotorsport.com/hpa_vehicles.htm

These TT's and R32's are running 565 HP / 500 ft-lbs through the Audi DSG.

IIRC the Audi/VW DSG is fairly torque-limited (around 250 ft-lbs or so) in OEM form, such that the manufacturers only pair it with certain engines (e.g. only with their weaker engines).

It appears that tuners will be able to offer upgraded clutch packs + likely TCU re-maps to provide quicker engagement/disengagement allowing the clutches to handle increased power. I would wager a guess that an SST with 565 HP capacity will cover 95% of those on these forums.

Keep in mind everyone that a DSG is not that different from a true manual in where failures will likely occur with increased engine power -- clutch(es) can't hold, gears breaking, etc. All these parts can be strengthened/reinforced once the aftermarket has some time to take the SST apart and find its weak points. We have the advantage of starting with a tranny that (1) is part of a car known for its owners' tuning proclivities, and (2) starts with a higher torque rating to begin with as compared with the Audi/VW unit ---> these point to a bright future for the SST's ultimate tuning capabilities.... BE PATIENT!

Just food for thought.

 

thanks for the info, bro, much appreciated!!

I will probably get the MR, and by the time my warranty is up, there will be a slew of aftermarket support and I will be able to reach my goals for it.

 

565 hp... 11.7?

 

guy please trade in your IXs so that we (non-evo owners) can have a chance to drive it

 

problem is that those clutch kits are expensive as hell. anything is possible with enough money but at some point it would have been easier to buy a GTR or something for AWD turbo fun...

 

You can make anything tune-able if you can throw tons of money at it. Look at the price of those two cars...scroll all the way to the bottom of that link...$150K. That cost isn't all from the DSG upgrade...obviously...but the DSG is not easy to mod and make power if you don't have a ton of money to throw around.

Yes, the SST will be able to be modded. Some tuner will crack the software and some tuner will upgrade the internals. But at what cost?

 

Why are people so afraid of the SST not being able to be tuned? Why is there even a need for it to be tuned? The only thing that really can be tuned on it is launch control (different rpm) and maybe how quick it shifts. All it does it shift at a preset point or when you tell it to via the paddle shifters. Adding horsepower and torque in no way throws it off. The only thing to be afraid of is if its weak like the 6 speed in the last generation evo. The lame audi dsg has a torque limiter built into it of around 258 ft/lb but then again that car is not meant to be a track car like the evo is.

E46 M3 SMG have no problem modding there cars, its essentially the same damn thing, it just doesnt have two seperate sets of gears.

 

I don't know this for certain since noone has gotten into the tranny software yet, but you'll likely need to hack into the software to allow more hp/torque. Otherwise, the tranny would go into "safe mode" when it senses more hp/torque. That's why likely won't be too easy to just mod-n-go on the SST. The same issue happens with DSG from Audi/VW.

Not to worry though, some tuner will figure out how to hack the tranny's computer. Only thing will be how much it will cost???

 

BMW SMG is no where near the same thing as a DSG. BMW SMG is pretty close to a true Sequential tranny. SMG trannies are pretty much a full manual tranny with a hydrolic pump that acts as a clutch pedal and gear selector. You mod them like you would mod a regular manual tranny.

tranny
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...97&hg=23&fg=05

clutch control pump
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...75&hg=21&fg=10

Most people are affraid of the SST because the DSG wasn't handling hp/torque upgrades very well. But I think this technology is growing pretty good and I think it will be fine. Look at the GTR it is making 475 whp in the same type of tranny.

 

Uh...

http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm

They work damn near the same, the only difference is the DSG has two shafts (one of even gears, one of odd gears) to make shifting faster..

 

Yeah I see your point but you can take a SMG tranny and convert it to full manual tranny. DSG is unique from the ground up pretty much compared to the SMG. SMG uses a regular clutch. My point was since the SMG tranny was based on a regular tranny, that it can handle mods just like a regular manual tranny because the way BMW used add on parts to make it a sequential tranny.

regular tranny taken and parts added to make a SMG

 

You are correct, but at the same time the TCU function almost the same meaning the software should not be a problem with the SST. The limiting factor will be how much torque it can handle. Who knows, since it has two different shafts they may have been able to make the gears wider than that of the 6 speed IX MR.

 

I hope so.

 

If the SST is tied to ECU load tables, then it will need to be remapped for cars making more power, since they will hit the pre-programmed load points sooner and will exceed stock load points. Nothing worse that having 400whp on tap, only to be shut down by some fail-safe. ..oh, and be afraid of overheating in the SST ... be very afraid...

l8r)

 

if you have ever driven the smg you will realize its a bit rough and herky jerky... we had a V10 bmw m5...

the DSG is amazing in smoothness and integration, but upgraded clutch packs are 2000 bucks, plus LOTS of labor..

the DSG increases pressure as it begins to slip to compensate for wear... which means it has more capacity than it starts with to handle more power...

curious to drive the mitsu system

cb