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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Whoa, how did you manage -3 degrees of camber up front. When you say also will have a sway bar, do you have one in now, or is it going in, and is it a front or rear swaybar? My car handled well with just a rear sway and alignment up to about 330whp....Do you have a front LSD, if not have fun murdering some cones, my car with the power it has now will hardly ever get out of a corner withouht the inside front letting off a little smoke.

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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Whoa, how did you manage -3 degrees of camber up front. When you say also will have a sway bar, do you have one in now, or is it going in, and is it a front or rear swaybar? My car handled well with just a rear sway and alignment up to about 330whp....Do you have a front LSD, if not have fun murdering some cones, my car with the power it has now will hardly ever get out of a corner withouht the inside front letting off a little smoke.

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The -3 was a typo its really -2. Its very easy down with just the stock cam bolts. The sway bar is a rear Progress anti roll bar that help turn in better without plowing the front so much. The 04's dont have an front LSD but last event I only hit 2 cones in 6 runs so thats not a problem. This is not the best setup up for auto x but its whats on the car this weekend. Next event will have a new setup.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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I know -2 is very easy with the stock bolts, haha but -3 is not! I was joking with the lack of LSD causing cone hitting, I just know that a front LSD especially in a greater than stock whp evo is a huge advantage.

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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I know -2 is very easy with the stock bolts, haha but -3 is not! I was joking with the lack of LSD causing cone hitting, I just know that a front LSD especially in a greater than stock whp evo is a huge advantage.

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I do think that you could do -3 with some after market cam bolts but since I have not done this I dont know for sure. The only reason I'm runing the car this weekend is because its a Ptuning sponsored event. Alot of local people want to see how the big turbo will work in a autox course. Should be fun or funny atleast.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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What version 30R are you running and what sort of power is it putting out?(include boost, gas, dyno type plz) I am pretty sure even with a lot of tweaking -2 is about all you can get without camber plates.

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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I wasn't trying to correct. I was offering my help if you were actually more interested in cars with 400wtq (I have) rather than cars with 400whp (I don't have), because I got to do it for the first time a few weeks ago and did extremely well.

You're trying to say that even though you asked for cars with over 400whp you really meant power through the whole rpm band, but there's a huge difference. For instance, take Eclipsed Evo's 418whp. Well, he most likely has less torque than I do, but has about 50 more whp. He won't get ever get close to that 418whp on the CDC auto-x courses, but he'll be dealing with a slower-spooling 350wtq (guesstimate). Conversely, I pass 300wtq at 3200-3300rpm and hit peak tq at 3800 or so. That makes a huge difference, and I think it's more of what you're asking. I would expectedly have more trouble dealing with the violent onset of torque while coming out of a tight turn, but I found that with V710s, there is no fish-tailing or uncontrollable oversteer, but if I had lesser tires, I think it would be a much different story.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
What version 30R are you running and what sort of power is it putting out?(include boost, gas, dyno type plz) I am pretty sure even with a lot of tweaking -2 is about all you can get without camber plates.

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Its a 3037 that has been dyno tuned on dyno pack. It put down 418whp at 25psi on 93 oct. Has not been race gas tuned yet as I'm waiting on the speed density setup from turbo xs before retuning. (this is without alcky)

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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i'm doing a 16g with a 10.5 hotside, 272's set at -3,-3, and 100% meth injection for the majors on the motor. i do have a big meth tank (2.5 gallons) too so i can run it at a autox meet. i came up with this "idea" of a setup to get the best spool and broadest power band combination i can for autox
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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i'm doing a 16g with a 10.5 hotside, 272's set at -3,-3, and 100% meth injection for the majors on the motor. i do have a big meth tank (2.5 gallons) too so i can run it at a autox meet. i came up with this "idea" of a setup to get the best spool and broadest power band combination i can for autox
So far from what I have been reading on the message boards, it sounds as though alcohol injection is not legal for SCCA Solo 2 in AS, BSP, SM, or ST classes.

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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I got about 360whp/trq on Buschurs MD, so that probably puts me over 400. I went out the other weekend and the thing was a blast. I was in a drivers school and kept up with the c6z06. All my instructor could say was "man, this things awesome".

That was with the 20g9 at 28psi on meth, and still on all season tires.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by adamhw
I got about 360whp/trq on Buschurs MD, so that probably puts me over 400. I went out the other weekend and the thing was a blast. I was in a drivers school and kept up with the c6z06. All my instructor could say was "man, this things awesome".

That was with the 20g9 at 28psi on meth, and still on all season tires.

The guy in the Zoh couldn't drive, thats all there is to it, but good work!
Also, eclipsed what was your wtq? Also eclipsed, how has the car/you performed in the past at these autocrosses?

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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
So far from what I have been reading on the message boards, it sounds as though alcohol injection is not legal for SCCA Solo 2 in AS, BSP, SM, or ST classes.

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I not going through SCCA. There are a lot of local clubs that have "fun" days. I wasn't building it to SCCA spec. Thanks though.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilBlueEvo8
i'm doing a 16g with a 10.5 hotside, 272's set at -3,-3, and 100% meth injection for the majors on the motor. i do have a big meth tank (2.5 gallons) too so i can run it at a autox meet. i came up with this "idea" of a setup to get the best spool and broadest power band combination i can for autox
I wouldn't say straight 272s is the way to go for best spool and broadest power band, but maybe the cam gear settings will help you with that. I (and others, including the OP) run a hybrid 272/264 to get more low-end torque and mid-range.

As for the meth, haha, man you don't need 2.5 gallons to do a 60s autox. I do full 25-min sessions on the road course and use half a gallon of alky. I only have a 1-gallon tank, but don't use it all up even with 25mins of full boosting in 4th and 5th (when not braking, that is, hah).
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
The guy in the Zoh couldn't drive, thats all there is to it, but good work!
Also, eclipsed what was your wtq? Also eclipsed, how has the car/you performed in the past at these autocrosses?

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Torque was at 363 on just 93oct no alcky. My first event I placed placed 12th out of 84 cars. My best run I missed 2nd gear going up hill so that added atleast a second. If I didnt miss I could have placed in the top 5. I'm not a big auto x guy so I dont go to many but I would say the car did pretty well. This was all with the stock turbo. This weekend will be my first with this turbo.

One other note I was on street tires. Atleast half the guys that placed ahead of me had race tires.
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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12th out of 84, you had 84 people in your class?

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