i dont care what you do with your neck.. i jsut wanetd to be sure that the real facts were clear for any noob who cares.

the sub belt holds the lap belt in place.. it keeps the lap belt on the big strong bone of your hips..

you crash with a 4-pt.. the shoulder straps stay put.. you lean forward.. the lap belt rides up.

ya know what.. just duct tape yourself to the seat.

anyone who cares about the science of it all should read up at simpsonracing and search the web.

 

ryan: thanks.... next time please read the first line of the first post of a thread before responding... there are enough threads on that crap, thank you for spewing it all back out for us.....again....

marksae: thanks for the info, that's what I'm lookin for.

 

yeah.. youre right.. why polute a thread with safety facts..

 

bro... c'mon now... I've been on EvoM for a long time... I havent had to deal w/ anyone like you in a looong time... please... just be civil... leave me alone, I'm not attacking you, you can have the win. You're right and I'm stupid, I'm going to die from spinal impact. Now go troll somewhere else please...

 

no idea how the dude came back, he's a troll supreme, but i see he's already made that known again.

 

shut your cake hole.. im a troll because i try to clear up misinformation?

 

ryan0, your comments always come off as being somewhat derogatory. I appreciate your input, but it'd be nice if you left out the nasty comments.

And have you done your research on the Schroth 4-pt harnesses? Your comment about ALL 4-pt harnesses being bad isn't completely correct. The Schroth 4-pt harnesses are DOT approved.

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/s...t-legal/rallye

 

misinformation and people who dont listen frustrate me... sorry.

read up on the science of harnesses. a 4-pt will ride up on impact. a 72" shoulder harness will stretch on impact . shoulder harnesses at > 15 degree angle is bad on impact.

people dont want to hear these things..

and as far as the DOT argument.. your factory belts are DOT approved also.. so are rubber brake lines.

when racing.. its safe or not safe. thats it.. harness bars are inconvienient, 6-pts are inconvienient, HANS is inconvienient, SFI 3 layers is inconvienient..

if your not going to do it right.. why do it at all?.. thats the only point here.

 

i have the schroth rally eye

its great for a daily because you can unclip them so peopel can get into the back

 

I understand the implications submarining while using a 4-pt in an impact. The Schroth 4-pt harnesses are different. They have an anti-submarining mechanism built into one of the shoulder straps which allows one shoulder strap to elongate at a different rate compared to the other. This lets the body twist slightly in an impact and prevents submarining.

 

i think this is part of the misinformation i think.. submarining isnt the main issue in this case.. infact, it may be better to submarine a little (or as you said, lean to one side) since there is no roll bar and if the roof caves in, you want to be low.

problem is that as you move forward in the harness at impact its going to pull the lap belt up.. thats bad. you want the lap belt low on your waist at impact..

but what do i know?

 

I think we all get it. Over and over again. There are plenty of other threads discussing this; you don't need to save the population of evom from 4 point harnesses. The OP has already made up his mind that he is willing to accept any risks (either real or perceived) associated with using a 4 point harness. Why can't you let it go???

 

i said i did.. die in a fire for all i care.. but everyone keeps asking why i wont shut up.. stop asking.

 

Honki, I know this is a tough journey - I'm on the same one trying to decide what to use. I am not doing a cage or harness bar for now, so I want to do a good harness that connects to the LATCH system in the back seat. Based on the info in this thread, I still cannot really tell what to get, but I guess I should look into the Schroth 4-pt as mentioned several times above.

 

That's a good point you made about the roof caving in if you have a harness. Your body won't have the ability to move to the side. I'm glad I have a roll-bar.