View Poll Results: Which evo for roadrace (multiple selections allowed)
RS (03-06)
39
62.90%
VIII (03-05 anything)
7
11.29%
MR (05-06)
4
6.45%
IX (2006 anything)
18
29.03%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll
Evolving Member
How much standing water are we talking about? Its almost worse here up north. Instead of lots of standing water, Infineon with its hills and poor irrigation means we get rivers, right at the apexes! In those cases ABS certainly provides a good safety margin. Should just means driving up to the limit much slower than normal though. AWD isn't a magic bullet, neither is ABS.
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Again, standing water will do that, as we run on flat courses down here.
I wouldn't run in the wet without it, honestly.
Originally Posted by WarmPepsi
when i'm in the wet, it's on and off and on and off, til you adapt for the speeds. Again, standing water will do that, as we run on flat courses down here.
I wouldn't run in the wet without it, honestly.
Evolved Member
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Think 3 lane wide straightaway, walls on both sides, 0 drainage. I've come around turn 16, got on the gas and wondered why i wasn't going anywhere.... I was spinning all 4. Originally Posted by heeltoer
How much standing water are we talking about? Its almost worse here up north. Instead of lots of standing water, Infineon with its hills and poor irrigation means we get rivers, right at the apexes! In those cases ABS certainly provides a good safety margin. Should just means driving up to the limit much slower than normal though. AWD isn't a magic bullet, neither is ABS.
Normally though, you shy away from that much rain, and let the downpour let up, however, it is a blast and a rush to be out in it
Evolving Member
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Again, standing water will do that, as we run on flat courses down here.
I wouldn't run in the wet without it, honestly.
I've run in the rain and it's fine as long as you aren't the kind of person to whomp the brakes in the braking zone. A quick squeeze will let you find the edge and back off if needed.Originally Posted by WarmPepsi
when i'm in the wet, it's on and off and on and off, til you adapt for the speeds. Again, standing water will do that, as we run on flat courses down here.
I wouldn't run in the wet without it, honestly.
Much worse than pools of water is when you have a line of water running at an ange to the track. There's a river that runs diagonally across the exit of the carousel at Sears Point that has eaten a lot of cars.
Evolving Member
I run an 04 RS, as mentioned previously. I've been very happy with the decision for three reasons:
1. Standard front LSD saves $$$
2. NO ABS...I prefer no ABS because having full control of the brakes is more important than a occasional wheel lockup...sometime I don't care if one wheel locks a little, and sometimes you can get really ****ed by the ABS not wanting to lock the wheels and lowering brake force all around...it should be noted that I use the brakes to make the car turn often, and ABS isn't always on the same page with this technique.
3. NO ACD...its a lot easier to make the car handle well without the complexity of ACD. This became apparent when we tried to transfer my race car setup to an ACD equipped car, and everything became a bit more complicated because of the dynamic nature of the ACD control. Not to say ACD isn't good, just not for me.
1. Standard front LSD saves $$$
2. NO ABS...I prefer no ABS because having full control of the brakes is more important than a occasional wheel lockup...sometime I don't care if one wheel locks a little, and sometimes you can get really ****ed by the ABS not wanting to lock the wheels and lowering brake force all around...it should be noted that I use the brakes to make the car turn often, and ABS isn't always on the same page with this technique.
3. NO ACD...its a lot easier to make the car handle well without the complexity of ACD. This became apparent when we tried to transfer my race car setup to an ACD equipped car, and everything became a bit more complicated because of the dynamic nature of the ACD control. Not to say ACD isn't good, just not for me.
Evolved Member
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1. I run in florida. It rains. A LOT. (envision 2-3 inches, standing water.) I wouldn't track the car in the wet without abs.
2. It comes in blue. Can't get an RS in blue.
3. 5 Speed is more reliable, but 5th gear is terrible.
+1...but there is another reason to NOT get the RS...Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD). Without it, you'll be fiddling with a crude manual brake bias knob if you don't want to smoke your inside rear tire trail braking into a corner.Originally Posted by WarmPepsi
I went for a 9 GSR. Couple reasons. 1. I run in florida. It rains. A LOT. (envision 2-3 inches, standing water.) I wouldn't track the car in the wet without abs.
2. It comes in blue. Can't get an RS in blue.
3. 5 Speed is more reliable, but 5th gear is terrible.
Evolving Member
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1. Standard front LSD saves $$$
2. NO ABS...I prefer no ABS because having full control of the brakes is more important than a occasional wheel lockup...sometime I don't care if one wheel locks a little, and sometimes you can get really ****ed by the ABS not wanting to lock the wheels and lowering brake force all around...it should be noted that I use the brakes to make the car turn often, and ABS isn't always on the same page with this technique.
3. NO ACD...its a lot easier to make the car handle well without the complexity of ACD. This became apparent when we tried to transfer my race car setup to an ACD equipped car, and everything became a bit more complicated because of the dynamic nature of the ACD control. Not to say ACD isn't good, just not for me.
On #2 -- I'm a recent convert to LFB coming out of the rally school, and I can see how I might be happier without ABS now. I haven't started applying the technique to the Evo yet, but would support this statement in general. Only real risk is if you are racing somewhere where corner entry conditions may change over time (be it different corners or same corner in foul weather), where ABS would let you be more consistent. That said, you can learn to modulate your foot.Originally Posted by ustcc evo
I run an 04 RS, as mentioned previously. I've been very happy with the decision for three reasons:1. Standard front LSD saves $$$
2. NO ABS...I prefer no ABS because having full control of the brakes is more important than a occasional wheel lockup...sometime I don't care if one wheel locks a little, and sometimes you can get really ****ed by the ABS not wanting to lock the wheels and lowering brake force all around...it should be noted that I use the brakes to make the car turn often, and ABS isn't always on the same page with this technique.
3. NO ACD...its a lot easier to make the car handle well without the complexity of ACD. This became apparent when we tried to transfer my race car setup to an ACD equipped car, and everything became a bit more complicated because of the dynamic nature of the ACD control. Not to say ACD isn't good, just not for me.
As for being without ACD, I'm inclined to agree that that might make sense. The diff behavior on my car seems inconsistent at times, and I'm hating the additional variable while trying to set up the car. After driving an Audi 4000S with a locked center diff and a Subaru with a fixed distribution front-to-rear, I'm thinking that something similar ont he Evo would be the right answer.
All that said, I wouldn't go with an VIII simply due to the MIVEC head. The flatter power curve makes the car easier to drive and it should ultimately be faster. Just got to figure out an answer on replacing the ACD..
