I have purchase race seats and I am looking for 6 point harness. G-Force has a really good price, approx $140 with cam lock and 3" straps.

Has anyone every used G-Force? Are they good\bad? Some feedback would be great!!

Thanks

 

Krishna, I have exactly what you are looking for in stock.. Stop by, and check them out..

 

Depends on the rest of your equipment, attatch points, attachment types, hans or no hans, etc etc. If your after brand quality pointers, i personally use Schroth simply because i always have, and seen enough damaged rides where those belts saved a life or two. G-Force has tons of good gear for dirt cheap, they just make it more generically and not as comfortable. Think of it as a VW verses a BMW. Both are certified, do the job, but one is just "better" all around.

 

Hey Mike

What color\s do you have in stock?

Thanks

 

This raises a couple questions

1) A good point to mount the shoulder harness, would the rear deck be ok? I dont like when the shoulder harness does down to an anchor\attachment point, e.g. the rear seat belt hook ups between the base and the back of the rear seat.

2) A HANS device is in the plans for the future, how do I determine if (or what makes a harness) HANS compatible?

thanks

 

1. Been debated tons of times here if you search, in the end everyone will frown on anything but direct attachment to a roll bar, either wrapped or clamped, any racing sanction will require that as well, espeically with a hans device. It's your body in the end. I personally think it's kind of silly to spend the dough on a fixed back seat and a 6 point without the bar/cage (bar's fine). It's like having a race car and not using race gas

2. Lots of belts "say" hans compatible but most don't fit well into the guides on the hans device because they are the same size all the way up. Do a little searching around and you'll see what i mean from the pictures alone.

 

If you're going to use harnesses properly and in an event where speed is definitely a factor (ie. not autocross), you need a roll bar or roll cage. A harness bar is only suitable for shows or autocrosses IMO since it provides zero rollover protection (which is an issue when you start modifying the stock safety system as you are doing). Autopower makes a very nice roll bar that won't interfere with the front of the car although the rear will be rendered useless.

 

+1000...especially if you're thinking about using a HANS device. HANS devices should be used when the harness length behind the seat is only a foot or two, and only in a car with roll over protection. If you have a sideways impact, you could run the risk of having a belt fall off if your body gets torqued around during the impact. Sure the risk of that happening is minimal, but the risk is there. HANS will function better the shorter the harness straps are.

As for belts...if you will use a HANS device, I'd strongly recommend HANS specific belts, as they stay on the shoulder pieces much better. If you're not going to use a HANS, get the 3" as it will be more comfortable on your shoulders.

Don't put a harness (especially with a HANS device) in a car without a roll hoop at a minimum. If you happen to flip the car, your neck & head will be held in position as the roof caves in, and you can imagine what kind of consequences you'd face in that sort of crash. If no cage, try the CG lock or some other type to lock down your factory seat belt. Auto-x is different, and I'd say harnesses are not a bad idea, as the risk of roll over is much lower than at a track event.

Have fun and stay safe!

Dave

 

if you are buying a harness, make sure it is properly approved for the form of racing you are planning on doing. scca/autocross is different from nhra/drag racing.

 

Here is an example of what you should be looking for. The upper part of the shoulder harness tapers to 2" to fit a HANS. The 3" webbing is folded over and sewn with padding on the bottom side. It is fully as strong as a regular 3" belt, but much more comfortable.

It is SFI rated, comes in 4, 5, 6, 7 point cam lock, and can be made in ANY color combination you want. Bad part - price. $300-$400 depending on options. . .

With the proper bolts, spacers, and washers you can mount the lap portion to the stock locations, but, if possible I would recommend bolting eyelets through the floor with backing plates. For the shoulder belts for autocross use either a harness bar or running them to the lower rear belt mounts or upper mount on the rear deck will work.

For track use, follow the advice above re: roll bars. . .

 

I have black G-force camlock in stock.. As most-wanted mentioned though i am not sure for roadrace if these are legal or not.. I went to take a look at them again and they are actually 5pt cam lock but do wear the SFI stickers.. I am not super knowledgeable in the roadrace rules etc.. Off the bat you might need a 6pt anyway. Im not sure though..

 

Thanks guys, great advise!!!! Here is what I have decided from the info you guys offered.

I am going to go with the 6 point clip-in HANS approved for now because I am only autocrossing. Towards the end of the year (early next year) when I start track day driving schools I will look into a roll bar and halon system.

There was a thread here where a guy got a nice roll bar welded in from DTM, I have to find that thread and look at the design then see who I can find in So. FLA. to build one for me.

Jarod, your correct the good stuff isn't cheap. I called TeamTech and went through different options with them, man they have ALOT of choices. I am going to call next week and order a set.

Thanks, again, for al the input!!
Duncan

 

Yesterday, I was at a shop that supplies a lot of the racers in the DC metro area. They sell seats, harnesses, Hans devices, and other head and neck restraints. I saw the harnesses that go down to 2" up top and he showed me the Hans device and how the narrower belts would fit inside the Hans slot better thus there were a lot of folks online recommending them. HOWEVER, he said that they do not recommend running the narrower belts and that Hans themselves do not recommend running the narrower belts -- full 3" only. Their view (the shop) is that the 3" will go over the "lip" that the narrower belts stay inside of, and thus prevent the belt from potentially slipping around like a narrower belt -- i.e., that the Hans actually appears designed for a full 3" wide belt in that the lip will dig into the belt and hold it.

I had never heard of this issue either way before, but I would like to come to a personal decision as I plan to get a Hans and will need to get another harness anyway and need to decide whether to get the one that narrows up top or not. It bothers me that there is a controversy on this. Maybe I will call Hans and talk to them over the phone before making a final decision. I'm also getting a seat and after trying different seats I found that there is a wide range of harness hole locations on the seats, both in terms of how high/low they are relative to the bottom of the seat and how close together the holes are. On some of the wider seats in particular (which luckily I don't need) the holes are wide enough that they could interfere with the proper fit of a Hans device. For me personally, it appeared that the Racetech seats were better suited for a Hans than the Sparcos. Also, you need to keep in mind your harness angle to the harness bar and the fact that the Hans will make you a little taller at the shoulder, so it can affect your seat mounting position and/or where you have your harness bar located on your roll bar.

 

When your ready for the roll cage pm me and I'll give you the contact info for the best cage builder around.

 

No probs.

Curt at TeamTech is a good guy. I like using their products, especially because they are local to me in Saginaw, MI and they can pretty much custom make any combo you want . . .

Although your wallet will sting for a while, your body will thank you the first time you strap in!