Robevo RS

iTrader: (16)

there is no cage i see, that is very dangerous. Specially away the body got weakened out.
Regardless the weigh is insane in that car

kyoo

iTrader: (29)

Where does a CF roof put you in?

whitegalant

iTrader: (3)

With all the framing and crash bars ripped out of the doors I would hope they have plans for a cage. The car is sick would love to take it for a drive :P

donour

iTrader: (6)

Not in this case. Very little crash safety is used for autocross.

You have to look at it in context. Autocross is low speed with a ton of run off. We run on the same courses as 125cc Karts, but run much, much slower than the karts. Impact safety is actually a pretty low concern compared to track driving or rallying.

donour

SCCA Solo Safety Steward, Solo Safety Steward Instructor

EDIT: I should probably put some credentials here ^^^

mr. happy

iTrader: (4)

I know FP doesn't use any of the inherited rules from SM, SP, or ST, but I do find it amusing that CF roofs aren't allowed and all the other stuff you've done is :P

kyoo

iTrader: (29)

is a CF roof allowed in SM?

Evo8RA

iTrader: (11)

Thanks Donour, you've hit the nail on the head. For road race, RobevoRS & whitegalant are absolutely correct and I am very safety conscious. This car is Exclusively for autocross and will never be taken to roadrace or 1/4-mile tracks without first adding a cage. Remember that practically every Stock class, R-compound convertible that autocrosses, is doing so without a roll bar. In 40 years of autocrossing, I've never seen a car roll over, on a course designed to SCCA safety standard. Please don't post a youtube clip of some dufus running his shoe box in Turkmenistan as a rollover example.

Cheers

mr. happy

iTrader: (4)

You know, I thought they were. And then I read the rules again and it says I can replace the sunroof, but the area of replacement is limited to the size of the sunroof. However, this is from my 2009 rule book. I haven't gotten my hands on a 2010 book to see if there have been any changes.

This kind of sucks since a company just came out with a CF roof for the early impreza. Whole thing weighs 5 lbs compared to the stock 47. Hopefully the 2010 rules state otherwise so I can convince my wife that it's a vital part of the build

Evo8RA

iTrader: (11)

I agree. The rule was actually created last year after I enquired to the SCCA Solo Events Board, presumably to help keep FP class cost down.

mr. happy

iTrader: (4)

I went back and read it again (again!) and saw something that "could" be interpreted another way.


16.1.N states:

"T-Tops, targa tops, sunroofs, moonroofs, and similar roofmounted panels may be removed/replaced with alternate panels provided that the area of interface is limited to the original perimeter of the t-top, sunroof etc. or utilizes the OE panel mount points, and that the contour of any replacement panel surface does not vary from the contour of the part being replaced by more than 1 inch in any direction. The material used to construct the alternate panel and the method used to attach it to the interface is unrestricted. Any actuation mechanism and the associated wiring, if any, may be removed."

To me the part that I bolded could be interpreted to mean the whole roof panel instead of just the sunroof as long as the new panel used the OE panel mount points and didn't vary from the factory contour. I think it's time for me to submit my first letter to the SCCA asking for clarification

And now back to your regularly scheduled FP smackdown!

Robevo RS

iTrader: (16)

i wasnt complaining , just i thought you guys hit a good amount of speed, and around 60 the impact is huge!
but then again you are right since you guys, as i saw running open field so no trees and so there. Also i was pointing out the cage actually makes the body more rigid so you can tweak the suspension better .
a good cage can be under 100lbs. Specially since you guys dont need a real complex one.

but anyway , amazing job for the weight reduction, i die to drive an evo with that weight!
you dont even need power upgrade , that is awesome!

kyoo

iTrader: (29)

lol do let us know how that turns out haha. CF hoods put you in SM.. so I should be allowed a roof as well.

EVOlutionary

iTrader: (38)

No carbon roof even in SM. I don't think it's legal in XP either. No full roof replacement in any class as far as I know. . .

As for the text above regarding the rules -

"T-Tops, targa tops, sunroofs, moonroofs, and similar roofmounted panels may be removed/replaced with alternate panels provided that . . ."

The bold section is what kills your idea. The roof as a whole can not be considered a roof mounted panel and is not similar to any of the items listed. . .

kyoo

iTrader: (29)

lame

the rule, not you lol