FP Red Track Evo's
with the first gen red, i saw more fail then i'm sure you'd like to hear. 
by december we had seen 5 reds melt at the track. one car alone went through 3, then FP instrumented it, and apparently solved the problems with it, because the next gen i haven't seen any problems with. we are planning on running a red on our 2.3L TTU car once the car is built. but for now we have a HTA35 sitting on the ground ready to go on the car. FP was awsome with support on the melted reds though. only one we had to cover some of the rebuild costs on because they said there was debris in the oil. incedentally all these failed reds i'm sure has to do with the strict recommendations on the oil feed line they have now.
by december we had seen 5 reds melt at the track. one car alone went through 3, then FP instrumented it, and apparently solved the problems with it, because the next gen i haven't seen any problems with. we are planning on running a red on our 2.3L TTU car once the car is built. but for now we have a HTA35 sitting on the ground ready to go on the car. FP was awsome with support on the melted reds though. only one we had to cover some of the rebuild costs on because they said there was debris in the oil. incedentally all these failed reds i'm sure has to do with the strict recommendations on the oil feed line they have now.How much boost were the failed reds running?
I am also interested in what the changes were to the 2nd gen Red? New oil feed line location?
When you were running it and it was working how did it feel compared to the new config? Do you feel it was drastically superior or just nice?
the turbos underwent some revisions early in production because when exposed to long heat cycles obviously they were tearing apart from the inside. these revisions i'm sure had to do with oiling at the very least. but during this process we were told it could have been the intake (to much restriction with the stock rubber intake), it could be the o2 housing not utilizing the support bracket and the weight deforming it under heat cycle, and then the oiling issues was the latest which seemed to fix it.
the car that burned through three reds was running pump gas on the streets at around 28psi, and on thetrack he ran 110 i beleive at the same boost as a safety margin. by the third one he was on E85 at around 24psi because he was limited by the single walbro.
the second car (denver) was also on E85, and he said he was running a lot of boost too.
the third car and 5th red was on pump gas and meth at 30psi. thats the one we had to cover the rebuild because FP said it was oil contamination. shortly after the "oil filter required" recommendation came out. now its changed again to use the oil filter housing for a oil source.
once again though, FP was awsome with helping us out with the melted turbos. thats why now that the bugs are worked out we are wanting to run one in our TTU car.
oh and using the HTA35r in our TTU car with the 2.3 wont work well. based off the weight projection of our car, and the Weight/Power ratio that is required to be in the class, we will be limited to around 420whp. that means we need a ton of torque and need to keep the revs down so the power is within the limit. red has quicker spool and will help here. for redline or TTR obviously the HTA35r would be better.
We have a local guy that killed a stock motor main bearing on the third lap at the AMS Autobahn lapping day.
The car was meth injected and when pulling the motor the oil seemed very thin and was black as the ace of spades.
This was the stock frame red with stock oil line.
The car was meth injected and when pulling the motor the oil seemed very thin and was black as the ace of spades.
This was the stock frame red with stock oil line.
But the bearing failure maybe have been from the oil getting too thin from being too hot. Maybe oil starvation from high lateral G loads. Etc.
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the third car and 5th red was on pump gas and meth at 30psi. thats the one we had to cover the rebuild because FP said it was oil contamination. shortly after the "oil filter required" recommendation came out. now its changed again to use the oil filter housing for a oil source.
once again though, FP was awsome with helping us out with the melted turbos. thats why now that the bugs are worked out we are wanting to run one in our TTU car.
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once again though, FP was awsome with helping us out with the melted turbos. thats why now that the bugs are worked out we are wanting to run one in our TTU car.
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Kevin, I have quite the EVO parts building up here in Iraq. I'm looking at the FP Red (v2) with the 80mm surge port, 25PSI wastegate acuator, porting, installation kit v2, 3" straight coupler, 3" intake pipe, BR ported intake manifold (with 65mm TB), MAPerformance O2 dump, BR ported and jet coated exhaust manifold, CBRD 4" FMIC, APS twin vent BOV, and 1000cc injectors. My concern is at this time I am not interested in having astronomical power numbers and I do not want to buy a double pumper. I simply want to take advantage of the E85 for a while. Power-wise, what would I be limited to if I wanted to get tuned on E85, 1000cc injectors, and single Walbro?
Double pumper...roger. Are 1000cc injectors plenty? Thanks. I sure can't wait to redeploy. 