Crazy I think the event organizer should have told people not to stand there + the driver should have stopped regardless

 

No offense to anyone thinking the opposite but there's something about rally spectators don't understand - where to stand in a corner.

I mean, they watch rally and they don't have a clue how a car goes in to a corner and how it goes out of a corner and especially, where the car will possibly go if something goes wrong in the corner.

Serves them right for having an IQ of a peanut. And if it's anyones fault, it's the marshals fault for letting them stand there in the first place. Leave the driver alone, he got nothing to do with it. He's in a race and he has a track in front of him that he has to finish. It's a sport for gods sake.

Do you honestly think anyone in WRC stops when they take an arm or a leg with them from a stupid bystander?

And on top of it all, standing on the outside of a chicane 2nd corner with a metal fence behind you and blaming a driver when you don't have room to even try to run away... Morons morons morons morons.

And yes, some of you did blow my mind with the comforting comments. They don't deserve any.

 

Its like getting hit by a train, you know where the damn thing is going to be so get the f out the way. Yes the driver should have stopped but they should not have been standing there. Should he be fined for leaving, yes but not arrested.

 

 

That was Marcus Gronholm's co-driver Timo Rautiainen. Once that co-driver had another accident where there was a pole on the road and when Gronholm drove over it, the wheel picked it up and it went through the floor protection and straight up Timo's ***. He had 2 broken bones but they continued driving...

It's a race, deal with it.

 

before you guys gong a too far with this type of comments....
"agree, the rally drivers job is to finish the rally at any cost. "

Actually its not...
They can decide they own injuries , and keep going on they own risk.
But hitting someone is a totally different story. It is actually frightening i even have to explain this for adult people...

sure you can keep going sure its a race....,and as some cases are actually shows they do it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EteOZvGViMs

but end of the day , wont matter who is stupid and whos fault it is, YOU hit them. At least check them out , sometimes life depends on minutes.... and you are the first one there with cell phone - radio - and emergency kit...

So from there it really comes down, what are you made of...

And all this wouldn't really matter because the Rally RULE book every where esle on the world has some rule if accident happens...

WRC Rule book example:

"37.2.2 In the case of an accident where urgent medical attention is required, where possible the
red “SOS” sign should be immediately displayed to the following cars and to any helicopter
attempting to assist."

http://www.rallyofnations.com/docs/2...%20+%20App.pdf

basically all around the world every single rally race is follows the FIA rule book. With some changes. But i never saw changes in the accident section, and for a good reason.

Rob

 

Wow, eye opening. Never really thought about the situation. I can see this from both sides. Some inner part of me says "The spectators were idiots who shouldn't have been there and after 5 minutes of removing gear and belts the driver is of no help"

...but after I think rationally for a moment I realize that this is a matter of life and death. I ask myself, "would I run down a retarded kid who sprints onto the highway and keep going simply because I'm late to work?" I should think the answer is, "no". Racing is not more important than life. Even if you can't help, you should try... you should care.

In all reality I'm quite sure that the driver could do nothing to truly help, but there is SOME SMALL CHANCE that at least his first aid kit MAY help. Think about this: would you rather be known as the driver who cared too much about someone's life to finish the race or the driver who cared too much about 17th place to worry about who you may have killed in the process.

I think if you'll look inside you'll all realize you agree that those idiots shouldn't be there... but that doesn't make them any less someone's mom/dad/brother/husband/wife. We all do stupid things.

 

Real world situation vs. a race where you're the competitor and there's officials that are supposed to keep idiots out of your way.

I guess you're right... But again - you're in a competition where street rules do not apply for you, nor do speed limits or anything like that.

I guess I'm harsh but I really don't feel bad for an idiot standing on the outside of a corner that gets hit by a car that he KNOWS is coming. It's like saying that in a f1 race, someone came running down the track. It's the same situation if u think of it - he shouldn't have been there. And believe me that an F1 driver wouldn't stop to ask if he's ok.

It's competition at the end of the day.

 

I wouldn't call you harsh or incensitive. I think that anyone who's been behind the wheel in a competitive situation can understand what you're saying. You're right, by the "rules" a driver probably isn't liable to stop and help... I know this is a lot to ask in this age, but... shouldn't there be a higher moral law in us than just the rule book?

I understand that some people won't feel this way... unfortunately I'm sure the higher payed F1 guys wouldn't.... but should they? I think the answer of whether they do and whether they should is different. I run with NASA on the roadcourse and we have tons of fun and we don't do everything as strict as SCCA so I understand all of this... but safety is PARAMOUNT. If someone is in danger of being fatally harmed then each individual should feel the obligation within themselves to stop what they are doing, even if they loose $2M as a result in their paycheck. Can you really put a price on someone's life? Even an idiot?

Remember, these people are likely not total morons, but as some have pointed out, people who have no idea how car physics work. As far as they are concerned the inside and ourside of a corner have the same risk. This is where the Marshall comes in, right? He ought to know the runoff areas and where to clear people from. Blame is everywhere. No one person is totally wrong but everyone could have done something better.

Injured people - don't be idiots... Don't make that mistake again.
Marshall - tighten down on your crowd control - you could get people killed. That's what you're payed for.
Driver - Be a human. Care that you may have killed someone. F your paycheck and your reputation. Be a man.

 

Drivers are trained to drive - some do better than others. Medical and emergency med staff are trained for trauma incidents.

Drivers are neither trained nor skilled at trauma treatments. That "Medical Kit" on board would be totally useless for broken bones. Most likely if the driver and navigator did get out of the car to assist, and say moved one of the injured, they probably would have done more damage and no good at all. Calm, steady & patient hands are not what you get from a race car driver after an impact.

The only thing the driver & nav could do would be to say "Aww, Damn. I'm really sorry" or similar.

If there was a helicopter following, the pilot and nav on the helo would radio for assistance.

Don't get me f'ing started on how stupid those people are that stand in the road watching rally cars...

The event marshals should have had at least one emergency medical vehicle near that chicane - just cause of the idiots standing in the road.

 

A few notes:

1. That's untrue that you could have a calm and patient driver. I've wrecked into another car on track and I was much more calm than what I'd think the typical American would be in a car accident. If I had nearly killed someone I would have been in the right state of mind to have helped.
2. The point really isn't that the driver could do something so much as that the driver could stop to at least see if he could help. You have to admit that there is SOME possibility that he could help when he KNOWS he just RAN OVER people. We're not talking about knocking a hand off. We're talking about MOWING DOWN.
3. Have you ever killed someone? Do you know how that feels? Whether they deserve it or not... ask a friend who's in the active military. They'll let you know that you want to avoid it at all costs. This isn't a video game. If your brother were run down and killed would you say he deserved it and that he was an "F'n idiot" ? I should think you'd recognize his folly, but would have wished the driver cared that he took your brother's life without even looking back.

I'm sure anyone here reading this sub-forum is competitive. We can all see ourselves in the position of this driver. As I've said, I'm sure we can all agree on our outrage that bystanders would be that near the track... but hey... this is rally and right now, this is how it is. Nevertheless, the drivers know that there will be people lining the track and they know that they are piloting an instrument that could kill any one of them or many of them. They know the risks and they should be willing to be men when they screw up. "Competition" is a poor excuse to ignore possible murder.

 

wow that would really suck, their own fault for being in the way! Just glad no one died!

 

actually to stop, when you already did... is not hard and form that point ,you will not win that stage or very very unlikely anyway.
Your first med kit can help with very strong bleeding etc. So there is a real bad statement when you say that med kit cant help. Actually it can save life.
Also why you guys assume the drivers are total idiots when it comes down to first aid? everybody can at least slow down bleeding...
Very unlikely by standers going out with first aid kit , but the rally cars requires it...
So at least you can hand that over, if you are really in a rush.... Since you are the first one on scene. Also i dont know any rally drivers without cell phone in car... Not to mention the co drivers know exactly where they are... So they can pin point the place where is the accident happend and so on...

Wont matter how you slice it.
What separates us /humans/ from the animals, if we dont follow our moral limits and rules...
Other wise why we call ourself humans?
just think about that.

 

hey man, some people dont have morals. If it were me I would of stopped and helped, like you said with all that time lost no way was he going to win.

 

i know that is why i put this one up. I hate those people.
It is really sad how many is out there...