Official 2012 Formula One Discussion Thread
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^"Not a big fan" is an understatement...Briatore is the "darkest side" of F1...this guy deliberately, no ordered, one of its drivers to crash his car to help his fellow teammate (Alonso) and then lied about it...i.e., he endangered not only his own driver but the other drivers on the track as well...if this guy gets into any aspect of F1 in the future, I will cease to B a fan.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
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Ferrari a done deal for Vettel in 2014? http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...rrari-in-2014/
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^"Not a big fan" is an understatement...Briatore is the "darkest side" of F1...this guy deliberately, no ordered, one of its drivers to crash his car to help his fellow teammate (Alonso) and then lied about it...i.e., he endangered not only his own driver but the other drivers on the track as well...if this guy gets into any aspect of F1 in the future, I will cease to B a fan.
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
Got to disagree here...Hami was a siting duck...he had no rubber relative to Maldonado's...so the wise move, the proffesional move was to let him pass and take 3rd place. Trying to protect UR position w/o the rubber to do it is probably going to end in a collision...and if it is Maldonado, it is a certainty...I expected Hami to do the right thing and Maldonado to run like a guy in a sailboat crossing in front of a super tanker just before impact yelling "Right of way!"
Later, Ken
Later, Ken
Good thing you corrected yourself or else I was going to jump on the, "are you crazy bandwagon?" too
Rules of racing:
1. When racing it is the over takers responsibility to make a clean pass.
2. Who ever has the inside line has ownership of the line. The outside car HAS to give way by either going off track or slowing down in the turn as the inside car goes wide during corner exit.
3. If off track, the car entering has to make a clean entrance on to the track.
IMHO, that's why its mainly Mc-Donald-O's fault.
I know Hami was also partly to blame but this is racing. Its a gray area where a racing driver is doing his best to defend a position or making it easy to pass for the over taker. On the one hand you want him to make it as hard as possible for the other driver to pass, other other hand you don't want him to drive dirty.
This is good news, right?
1. When racing it is the over takers responsibility to make a clean pass.
2. Who ever has the inside line has ownership of the line. The outside car HAS to give way by either going off track or slowing down in the turn as the inside car goes wide during corner exit.
3. If off track, the car entering has to make a clean entrance on to the track.
IMHO, that's why its mainly Mc-Donald-O's fault.
I know Hami was also partly to blame but this is racing. Its a gray area where a racing driver is doing his best to defend a position or making it easy to pass for the over taker. On the one hand you want him to make it as hard as possible for the other driver to pass, other other hand you don't want him to drive dirty.
This is good news, right?
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No, I have not...and I NO where U R going...I cannot disagree with UR racing points...that said, I still think that Hami should have realized his situation better, namely Maldenado had more rubber than he and, as a result, just moved aside...if not, what do U think he should have done?...continue to fight for a position he could not hold...sort of like my sailboat analogy?
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Red Bull Making their Move: Response by other teams
In Valencia Vettel opened up a 20 sec lead less than half way through the race...they, according to others, have completely changed the rear of their car with double diffuser type floor and some tunnel in the side pod...in fact, Weber's car barely passed FIA inspection...so it appears RB, i.e.,Newey, has come up with a breakthrough and the other teams R going to see his tail lights from here on out.
So what does one of the top contenders, McLaren, say about how to get more speed?...this from Sam Michaels: "The funny thing is that it probably puts more onus on mechanical items because the aero stuff comes no matter what,... Everyone's aero programmes are massive and they are developing the car aerodynamically...Normally the things that are compromised in the short term for aero are mechanical items because you look at something [mechanical] and it's only worth a tenth whereas you can get two and a half or three tenths from aero, but it won't be like that now. It puts the onus on mechanical items."
This revisit to "mechanical" fine tuning is not justified given the apparent advances RB has made aerodynamically and Michaels view that the other teams R equal in their aero developement just does not hold water. Of course, we await the legality battle to continue now that RB has made their "move"...B prepared for another FIA change.
Later, Ken
So what does one of the top contenders, McLaren, say about how to get more speed?...this from Sam Michaels: "The funny thing is that it probably puts more onus on mechanical items because the aero stuff comes no matter what,... Everyone's aero programmes are massive and they are developing the car aerodynamically...Normally the things that are compromised in the short term for aero are mechanical items because you look at something [mechanical] and it's only worth a tenth whereas you can get two and a half or three tenths from aero, but it won't be like that now. It puts the onus on mechanical items."
This revisit to "mechanical" fine tuning is not justified given the apparent advances RB has made aerodynamically and Michaels view that the other teams R equal in their aero developement just does not hold water. Of course, we await the legality battle to continue now that RB has made their "move"...B prepared for another FIA change.
Later, Ken
On Formula1.com there is a good little drawing on the rear of the RB8 rear body work, its under the technical section. I would copy a link but the whole site in under copywrite protection.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/871/975.html
Red Bull introduced an almost new car in Valencia, with a heavily modified aerodynamic package.The sidepods no longer end in a cola-bottle shape, but instead with a wider, low section, going back to the original shape as introduced by Sauber. More importantly, it has radically changed the tunnel that goes underneath the exhaust ramp. It has a much larger inlet (blue arrows), divided into two sections: one blows into the starter hole; the second on top of the central section of the diffuser that has also been modified. Also new but not seen here are the rear-wing endplates.
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...2/871/975.html
Red Bull introduced an almost new car in Valencia, with a heavily modified aerodynamic package.The sidepods no longer end in a cola-bottle shape, but instead with a wider, low section, going back to the original shape as introduced by Sauber. More importantly, it has radically changed the tunnel that goes underneath the exhaust ramp. It has a much larger inlet (blue arrows), divided into two sections: one blows into the starter hole; the second on top of the central section of the diffuser that has also been modified. Also new but not seen here are the rear-wing endplates.
So RB seems to finally have figured out how to make that sidepod tunnel work. It'll be interesting to see if that translates into a consistent performance advantage over the next few races.
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..good job on pulling out the particulars and yes,Lude, it will B interesting to C if this dominance continues and whether the rest can catch up or have the $$ to do so.