Yes, it is true Hami and Massa mixed it up last year. However, Grosjean's "mixing it up" involves cars flying through the air...this same "incident" happened in Monacco and I believe this is his seventh crash out taking many others with him, as opposed to just one other driver, this year. To me this is either inexperience or he can't handle the pressure...either way he is bad news on the starting grid just like Maldenado and Petrov when he drove for Lotus.

There have been grumblings about this and I am sure Boullier is getting it from the top...this picture: http://www.yallaf1.com/category/top-stories/ says it all...Boullier showing, I stand by him..see my big confident, but twisted, smile and Grojean, looking like he has been told he will B shot if he pulls another move like that again...we shall C if these crash dogs R getting the message...regardless, the FIA appears to B in the process of taking action: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/183569/...standards.html

Later, Ken

 

This is bound to upset one of our upstanding members here in this thread. And, I agree. CrashKobay is no saint either. He too should be consigned to driving for either HRT or Marussia.

 

If either one of them were to be driving Marussia's or HRT's all that means is they would take someone out while being lapped... In the end, same result.

I would really like to see the FIA and the drivers due more to make the restarts better. Button pulling out a 5 second lead in the first couple of turns is rediculous, and something should be done about it.

 

^ standing restart

 

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That's Mr. Crash-bay to you sir! Get it right!

IMHO, he is still much better than Crash-donaldo and Crash-jean ... As for the Massa and Hamilton tussle, that was Massa being a bonehead and not able to hold his line in most cases. The one time it was Hami's fault was @ Monaco. Funny because Massa is never "racy" when being passed by other F1 drivers, but when Hami comes up to pass him he tries harder to block. Perhaps latent anger from losing the championship to Hami in 2008.

 

Maldonado and Grosjean should start 23rd and 24th til the end of the season. Unless the points spread out too much..then maybe let them wreak havoc to keep it close until the last few races This is one of the most competitive season's of F1 that I have seen in awhile

 

You are right! Crash-bay is his name. And, I agree with you, he is much better than Maldonado and Grosjean. I just found it funny that Kevin D. mentioned Kobay, which I knew would get a reaction out of Ken. Regarding Massa, you are right again because he is usually quite the gentleman when people pass him [which seems to have happened much too frequently these past couple of seasons], but when Lewis comes up, he becomes very aggressive, kind of like Schumi. I have always liked Massa and I truly hope that he can find another ride when [not if] Ferrari drops him.

 

Maybe Kobay would have been clear of the incident if he hadn't lost at least 4 positions before the first turn?!

Seriously though. Check the constructor standings next time before suggesting that Sauber doesn't suck.

 

There is winning and being in contention to win races and the Constructor's Championship...Sauber has a fast car, at least at Spa, as evidenced by their qualy times so from that perspective they R competitive and had a chance to win, sine Grojean, so saying they "suck" is not justified from the point of view of winning a race...now from the Constructor' sides, they R not going to win...no sh*!t...neither will Merc or Lotus and perhaps RB...so according to UR definition, these teams , of which U have a high regard, also "suck".

Later, Ken

 

I'm going to have to disagree to some extent here. I think this year's Sauber F1 car does not suck at all. IMO it's one of the top four cars on the grid, equal to RB, McLaren, or Lotus on any given weekend. However, where Sauber does "suck" is in the setup and driver departments. Sometimes they get the car setup right and sometimes the drivers get it right - unfortunately rarely do the two coincide. I'm also beginning to question Kobay's ability under pressure. Every time he has gotten a good starting position, he's botched the start.

l8r)

 

At Spa, I don't NO what the hell happened to Kobay's brakes...all they did was the role out and he comes back smoken...anybody hear what happened?...no, he wasn't riding the brakes for 4mi!

Later, Ken

 

They don't have a chance to win until they win. Name that movie quote. Anyways, they suck from every point of view, because they have not won a race, and have not proven that they can/will. Mercedes on the other hand.....

Actually, I have conveyed no high regard for either Mercedes or Lotus, so I'm not sure where you got that impression. However, I do firmly believe that both are at least marginally better than Sauber at most tracks. The points accrued by both teams would seem to support that belief too.

Honestly, I think if Sauber didn't usually focus on maximizing tire wear, then I think they'd be pretty close to the Lotus and Mercedes cars in speed/pace/qualifying. They just don't get much opportunity to show it. That still doesn't discount the suckage though. If Lotus can't get it done, then Sauber sure as hell isn't going to without something wacky happening. I'm not even sure a downpour will be enough to get them there. They might need Kobay to pull a Piquet Jr. or something.

 

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that they can't figure out how to maximize the pace of the car in qualifying that frequently. To me it's pretty clear that they must know that they don't have the speed/pace to keep up with the front runners at most of the races, so they take a different strategy to focus more on reducing tire wear, so they can have fewer pit stops than the other mid tier teams, and hopefully pick up a few spots on the grid compared to those guys when they're laboring on their tires in the latter stints of the race.

 

Well, well, looks like the penalties are starting to sink in with the zombie ... err ... Maldonado: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...ng-has-to-give

l8r)

 

Some pissed off guys here at work think that Lewis pinned the gas down after he was tagged by Grosjean. What say you? I can see it, but wouldn't the telemetry indicate otherwise? If it did would the stewards reveal it afterwards?