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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 10:44 AM
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heel toe shifting technique

I've got a weird idea and want to get some feedback. Heel toe does help assist slowing you down when road racing. It has always been hard for me heel toe. This can complicate your braking in my opinion. I’ve always been a big advocate on K.I.S.S. so you can keep all your focus on braking. I came up with this idea.

So when you’re on the clutch and brake at the same time it this will send extra voltage to the TPS signal on the ECU and cause the rpm to rev up. We also have a switch to turn it on or off

This is just a theory with extra voltage causing the rpm not to drop.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 10:51 AM
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Automagical rev matching based on speed? But i'd be concerned with longer braking zones that I normally downshift twice on without taking my foot off the brake. The only problem I really have is stabbing the brake slightly when I reach over to blip the throttle with the outside of my heel. Or in this case, as soon as you touch the brake, it raises the RPM slightly (like an on off switch rather then a pressure switch), then again in longer zones, you'd hear the throttle go up twice, once when it did it on it's own, and again when you did it to match?
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 10:59 AM
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Heel toe does help assist slowing you down when road racing. It has always been hard for me heel toe. This can complicate your braking in my opinion.
You have that incorrect. Downshifting does not increase deceleration when you're at or near max braking.

Yes it's more complicated - doing more than one thing usually is - but the ONLY purpose is to get into the proper corner exit gear while braking. Before entering the corner.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Balrok
Automagical rev matching based on speed? But i'd be concerned with longer braking zones that I normally downshift twice on without taking my foot off the brake. The only problem I really have is stabbing the brake slightly when I reach over to blip the throttle with the outside of my heel. Or in this case, as soon as you touch the brake, it raises the RPM slightly (like an on off switch rather then a pressure switch), then again in longer zones, you'd hear the throttle go up twice, once when it did it on it's own, and again when you did it to match?
You have to be on the brake and clutch to raise the rpm. If your just braking you will never raise the RPM. Mind you this is all in theory.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by awdboosted
I've got a weird idea and want to get some feedback. Heel toe does help assist slowing you down when road racing. It has always been hard for me heel toe. This can complicate your braking in my opinion. I’ve always been a big advocate on K.I.S.S. so you can keep all your focus on braking. I came up with this idea.

So when you’re on the clutch and brake at the same time it this will send extra voltage to the TPS signal on the ECU and cause the rpm to rev up. We also have a switch to turn it on or off

This is just a theory with extra voltage causing the rpm not to drop.
you said you want to KISS, but you're making it harder than it has to be. All you need to do is blip the throttle with the side of your foot while you're on the brakes and shifting... what is so hard about that, lol.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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you said you want to KISS, but you're making it harder than it has to be. All you need to do is blip the throttle with the side of your foot while you're on the brakes and shifting... what is so hard about that, lol.
It is easier if you don't have to blip the throttle. That all.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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i found it much easier once i installed SS brakelines. the shorter distance the brake moves lines it right up with the gas under heavy braking. a little shift and blip is all you need.

i have small feet too and i have no problem
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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I don't really know why it's called "heel-toe" since I can't imagine using my heel. I wear size 12 shoes... No way am I gonna be able to get my heel on the gas with my toes on the brakes lol.

OP: Try using the side/ball of your right foot to blip the throttle and your toes for the brake.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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I do heel-toe so automatically now I don't even think about it. I think people make it sound difficult and impressive, when really its stupid simple. You don't need to be a driving god, or even especially skilled to properly match down shifts.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Sounds less complicated to just practice and learn to heel-toe, lol.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Q15H
You have that incorrect. Downshifting does not increase deceleration when you're at or near max braking.

Yes it's more complicated - doing more than one thing usually is - but the ONLY purpose is to get into the proper corner exit gear while braking. Before entering the corner.
Shifting without heel toe you can accomplish the same thing. The real purpose of heel toe'ing is to prevent driveline shock during downshift to keep the car stable under braking. Which also helps save your driveline components.

Companies have already done the electronic rev match, I believe Nissan with the 370z.

Don't try and reinvent the wheel, keep practicing. Practice makes perfect
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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Dont cars like the 370Z already have something like you're proposing here?

Edit: the guy above beat me to it
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 04:45 PM
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i think people pay too much attention heal and toe. They do it soo much actually running slower times to accomplish the technic and get some kind of satisfaction after.

Fact of the matter is, our stock transmission really does not requier heal and toe. It is syncronized transmission so the hard precised shifting is much more rewarding in race times then the heal and toe technic.
I do heal and toe only very very slow speeds, if i do mess up something and i have to correct it.
other wise i do a simple hard shift. That is all you need to get in gear and be fast a same time. You should not have to have a problem when you shift , and heal and toe does not balance the car out . That is a set up or miss judge problem not the missing heal and toe technic. You should be in a right gear before the turn so you should be ready and perfectly balanced when you start making the turn. Even when you running a long sweeper.

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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 05:15 PM
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I don't really know why it's called "heel-toe" since I can't imagine using my heel. I wear size 12 shoes... No way am I gonna be able to get my heel on the gas with my toes on the brakes lol.

OP: Try using the side/ball of your right foot to blip the throttle and your toes for the brake.
me too (12) and that's exactly how I do it. I also do it all the time under normal driving and braking so that it's unconscious.
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Old Feb 14, 2012 | 05:53 PM
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