yeah i just started watching it on my dvr. good choice closing the gap like that i think.

finally saw gronholms in car footage...youd know better than me line wise, but to me that didnt look like it was due to the jump, it looks like he was just way to inside trying to cut the corner a little...sounded like he was under control on the brakes sort of.

 

He miss judged the corner for sure. When you getting closer to the corner after landing at higher speed, you need to rotate the car sooner. That is when you see the spectacular driftings. But when they miss judge it, then they do cllip the front inside end. That is usually doesnt make it on youtube.
He did jump way to fast and he had to make that turn, he rotated the car sooner and clipped the cement wall. Which shouldnt be exposed like that from the begin with. Every stage designer should know that.
After the accident, probably protest from drivers etc. got fixed with a tire wall.
Jump was just plane stupid from the begin with. You cant plan a course based on the idea "everybody will make it anyway.."

Now at least they learned this one too. Besides there is really no place for that type of jumps in rally cross anyway. It is stupid at ANY angle. They basically took away a nice exiting passing zone for a boring jump.
Why am i saying that? Because passing and driving skill is more entertaining then safe approach for a jump (concentrating on the jump only)
If you looking back the race, the most boring part was actually the jump area...

 

yeah...really cant diasagree with you. the start was interesting to see atleast!

 

I missed a big chunk of it due to being out of town but I recorded everything from yesterday on the DVR. I know there's skateboard and rally on that one. anyone know how you can watch all the xgames again, maybe a DVD?

 

Rob,

Were you there? No. Have you been to a GRC event yet?(pretty certain thats a no as well)

Topi's accident was because of the wrong speed, not the angle of the jump. Gronholms accident was unfortunate misjudgement and maybe a suspension issue, I will not pretend to guess. By the looks of things from standing 10 feet from it, he tried to straightline the two corners and just got unlucky with being a tad off line.

My mishaps on the jump last year were all my error with speed(evo's were different speeds to the fiesta's), not problems with the jump itself.

Give the GRC a break until YOU actually go watch a race in person. You are bashing it on every forum without ever being at one

 

I watched the first qualifying heat and turned it off. How dumb! Ken Block pretty much looked like we was in a crash up derby.

I'm glad Loeb won.

 

Great sharing the X-Games w/you guys.

See you all next year, God willing

Joe

 

sorry double post

 

Joseph, without even go further, let put it this way:
I did see one of they event in person in the USA. Hint ... Tommy Makkinnen was there too
I even if i remember right met with your father and Tom. I was with Greg and Klim down there And we did rooting for you, by the way. You and O'realy was the reason why i did go down there actually.
I even made this pictures at service.

and then this one

(also i talked to the hungarians there too )
if you talking about this crash of yours, then it is clear the jump is dirt , not a metal. Whis is a big bifference. Also you did over shoot (to fast) not landing in the gap. Also big difference . And if i remember you did walked away from it vs already two surgey for the Finn guy on the ankle , and Gronholm is still in the hospital with internal brain bleeding. Xgames try to push the envelop i do get that though.

For the Xgame race day after practice they do make the jump to a table top... (realize the design mistake, there is no further discussion needs here about that, action speak for itself) Also they do fixed and put tire wall front of the Cement block which was sticking out there. (same as above) They did a great job.
Also it is actually make my point very clearly , and i did these comments before the race day, so i am guessing i wasnt that much off....

I dont need to be there and race to see what is going on. God bless the ESPN2.
I came from a town were we grow up with Rally and rally cross ( i was intruduced about 26 years ago to the sport). I do understnad the cost of rally cross , and that is why probabaly i never will be in one to race with my own car here in the States.
I am saying what i am saying because they did made the track unesserly dangerous, and they actually relized that and fixed it. Simple is that. No bashing, just pointing out obvious dangerous mistakes, which is at that level shouldnt be exist. It is more like an observation aslo, since who i am to say anything just as you pointed out.

To see where i am coming from with my opinion and back ground here is one video.
This is our rally cross track around the town i came from, just for the record. Many of my friends and i also did run there. (I didnt do anything there since i came here obviously)


here is more camera view to see the track better, inside and outside.

 

Rob,

I asked if you had been to a Global RallyCross round, not sure why you began talking about your home town rallycross track. I have a dirt track(redneck racing) 2 miles from my house, doesnt make me an expert on that sport. The answer about you going to witness a GRC event in person is still NO. You have been to the first Rally-America Rallycross round, its apples to oranges. As for the rest of your post, there as still things I completely disagree with, but we will talk about it at the next rally.

Btw as for them making the table top, it was not because of a design flaw, the angle of the ramp stayed the same, it was just an extra precaution, but you would not learn that from just watching the TV coverage.

And as for me going long on the jump, instead of short, its the exact same as Topi's. I chose to go long because it was safer and more cost effective, he went short because he knew the exact speed he needed to go to make a perfect landing and just got it wrong. Unfortunate, but it happens


Have a good 4th everyone

 

Sure we not will argue on any xgame event lol. So we agree on that for the race day they made a jump and the cirner safer. That was all i pointed out, befote and after they fixed it.

Our track is kind of far from being redneck..
there is a europien rally championships going on every year etc.
faust - doren racing on it etc. I can go on even more but i dont want to seem i am bragging.

I hope we see you at the next rally

And yes you are right thay was a rally america event now you mentioned.
And yes they didnt had a jump as grc has...

 

you may need to re-read my post. I was not calling that european track of yours redneck. I was making a point about my local oval track.

Ending this topic from my end.

 

Oh sorry, you right i miss read it.
But as i said we actually raced on it and there quite few events we been there not as a spectator. But that is a whole other story and was a long time ago ... lol