NASA 2013 people in here!
I have to figure that one out. Need to see if I can run water inj or if I'm limited to gas tank juice only... Do you know? I haven't asked Jake nor have I spent enough time looking at the rules yet.
Contingency drives tires choice in TT. If fact, i'd go so far as to say that contingency drives the success of TT programs. NASA was the first group to offer a decent contingency program for TT and is a huge reason for its success IMO. Look at what happened when Hoosier pulled back a little from TT, numbers went down! Now look who has the best Contingency program, NARRA. If the SCCA can ever work out a contingency program for TT's you will see them take back a bunch of members that they have lost over the years.
11.4.22 Alcohol Injection
Tanks containing alcohol (e.g. methanol) that exceed 50% alcohol by volume must carry an FIA FT3 (or higher) rating and be installed per fuel cell regulations found in CCR Section [Ref(15.4)]. Tanks containing 50% or less alcohol by volume may use any container per the manufacturer’s instructions or recommendations. Under all
circumstances tanks or containers must be mounted in an area that is separated from the driver by a bulkhead or firewall.
18.5 Permitted Fuel
Permitted fuel is any grade of commercially available unmodified gasoline, E85 Ethanol, biodiesel, or diesel. The driver must notify the Race Director if using methanol or other exotic fuel, when class rules permit. Vehicles that run on (all or in part) electricity, propane, or hydrogen must be cleared through the National Office in writing.
Two things here. 1 no sane person should rely on ANY kind of secondary pump or injection to keep my engine "alive" on a road course. Your just asking for something to fail in the system and go boom with all the heat and sloshing. Keep it on the street for "fun."
2. You may get rejected by the Director if he or the track workers don't think they have the necessary safety crew/equipment to deal with a "meth" fire. Or if they don't think your tank is safe enough (tech inspection). You can't argue with them unless you've go through the hoops with national, so it's best to just use the right grade of fuel in the first place, safe yourself a big headache later.
(if you do indeed consider using it, just saying).
Tanks containing alcohol (e.g. methanol) that exceed 50% alcohol by volume must carry an FIA FT3 (or higher) rating and be installed per fuel cell regulations found in CCR Section [Ref(15.4)]. Tanks containing 50% or less alcohol by volume may use any container per the manufacturer’s instructions or recommendations. Under all
circumstances tanks or containers must be mounted in an area that is separated from the driver by a bulkhead or firewall.
18.5 Permitted Fuel
Permitted fuel is any grade of commercially available unmodified gasoline, E85 Ethanol, biodiesel, or diesel. The driver must notify the Race Director if using methanol or other exotic fuel, when class rules permit. Vehicles that run on (all or in part) electricity, propane, or hydrogen must be cleared through the National Office in writing.
Two things here. 1 no sane person should rely on ANY kind of secondary pump or injection to keep my engine "alive" on a road course. Your just asking for something to fail in the system and go boom with all the heat and sloshing. Keep it on the street for "fun."
2. You may get rejected by the Director if he or the track workers don't think they have the necessary safety crew/equipment to deal with a "meth" fire. Or if they don't think your tank is safe enough (tech inspection). You can't argue with them unless you've go through the hoops with national, so it's best to just use the right grade of fuel in the first place, safe yourself a big headache later.
(if you do indeed consider using it, just saying).
Last edited by Balrok; Feb 20, 2013 at 01:52 PM.
you tow your car to the track, why not just convert to E85 and bring it with you on the trailer.
11.4.22 Alcohol Injection
Tanks containing alcohol (e.g. methanol) that exceed 50% alcohol by volume must carry an FIA FT3 (or higher) rating and be installed per fuel cell regulations found in CCR Section [Ref(15.4)]. Tanks containing 50% or less alcohol by volume may use any container per the manufacturer’s instructions or recommendations. Under all
circumstances tanks or containers must be mounted in an area that is separated from the driver by a bulkhead or firewall.
18.5 Permitted Fuel
Permitted fuel is any grade of commercially available unmodified gasoline, E85 Ethanol, biodiesel, or diesel. The driver must notify the Race Director if using methanol or other exotic fuel, when class rules permit. Vehicles that run on (all or in part) electricity, propane, or hydrogen must be cleared through the National Office in writing.
Two things here. 1 no sane person should rely on ANY kind of secondary pump or injection to keep my engine "alive" on a road course. Your just asking for something to fail in the system and go boom with all the heat and sloshing. Keep it on the street for "fun."
2. You may get rejected by the Director if he or the track workers don't think they have the necessary safety crew/equipment to deal with a "meth" fire. Or if they don't think your tank is safe enough (tech inspection). You can't argue with them unless you've go through the hoops with national, so it's best to just use the right grade of fuel in the first place, safe yourself a big headache later. (if you do indeed consider using it, just saying).
Tanks containing alcohol (e.g. methanol) that exceed 50% alcohol by volume must carry an FIA FT3 (or higher) rating and be installed per fuel cell regulations found in CCR Section [Ref(15.4)]. Tanks containing 50% or less alcohol by volume may use any container per the manufacturer’s instructions or recommendations. Under all
circumstances tanks or containers must be mounted in an area that is separated from the driver by a bulkhead or firewall.
18.5 Permitted Fuel
Permitted fuel is any grade of commercially available unmodified gasoline, E85 Ethanol, biodiesel, or diesel. The driver must notify the Race Director if using methanol or other exotic fuel, when class rules permit. Vehicles that run on (all or in part) electricity, propane, or hydrogen must be cleared through the National Office in writing.
Two things here. 1 no sane person should rely on ANY kind of secondary pump or injection to keep my engine "alive" on a road course. Your just asking for something to fail in the system and go boom with all the heat and sloshing. Keep it on the street for "fun."
2. You may get rejected by the Director if he or the track workers don't think they have the necessary safety crew/equipment to deal with a "meth" fire. Or if they don't think your tank is safe enough (tech inspection). You can't argue with them unless you've go through the hoops with national, so it's best to just use the right grade of fuel in the first place, safe yourself a big headache later.
(if you do indeed consider using it, just saying).
Thought about it, researched it, spoke with tuner about flex fuel; not opposed to it. I need to look more into fuel transport regs in the NE. I would be more inclined to do this if I had a pick up and could put the tank on the bed vs having the drums on the trailer. Flex fuel would be my likely choice since there isn't e85 anywhere near our tracks, as you know.
Glad to help. I went through it for "surge tanks" and you gotta build it like a fuel cell so it wasn't worth the time and $ in my opinion.
We are busy putting the roll cage in Jeff's TT3 car before the next event in 3 weeks! This is an evolution of the pikes peak cage. More support in some areas of course, but it shouldn't be to much heavier. Also did a better job of localizing nodes for better strength.
Last edited by KevinD; Feb 24, 2013 at 06:47 AM.
Contingency drives tires choice in TT. If fact, i'd go so far as to say that contingency drives the success of TT programs. NASA was the first group to offer a decent contingency program for TT and is a huge reason for its success IMO. Look at what happened when Hoosier pulled back a little from TT, numbers went down! Now look who has the best Contingency program, NARRA. If the SCCA can ever work out a contingency program for TT's you will see them take back a bunch of members that they have lost over the years.
So, speaking of contingency. NARRA just announced that Pirelli is now their tire sponsor. It looks like they no longer have Hoosier on board with the best contingency in TT's. But, Pirelli had stepped up with an even better program. Now it's a question of what the hell kind of tire should I run for a duel NASA/NARRA schedule? Maybe it time to convert to non dot race slicks all around?
It's gonna suck to switch between pirelli slicks in NARRA and hoosier A6's in NASA. The expensive of buying that first initial set of pirelli's being the suckiest part ($2400?).
But they require different alignment settings and driving style and warm up style (slicks are ice for at least one lap).
Not an issue for me, but for you guys, be aware the biggest 17" slick is only a 245 wide tire.
http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/mo...eet/slick.html
But they require different alignment settings and driving style and warm up style (slicks are ice for at least one lap).
Not an issue for me, but for you guys, be aware the biggest 17" slick is only a 245 wide tire.
http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/mo...eet/slick.html
I kinda wonder if they did this to weed out some of the riff raff that comes out from NASA and only runs a few events. 
I agree that switching back and forth is not going to be the answer. I was just working some numbers last night and i think i might just try to run Pirelli between both. I'd like to give running slicks a try. And, there are plenty of times that we don't have enough people in NASA to qualify for contingency anyway.
I agree that switching back and forth is not going to be the answer. I was just working some numbers last night and i think i might just try to run Pirelli between both. I'd like to give running slicks a try. And, there are plenty of times that we don't have enough people in NASA to qualify for contingency anyway.
I had planned to run at least 4 narra event this year, all on east coast. Our nasa TT has grown exponentially in the northeast last few years. And now that TTA is pretty much combined with TTS into TT3, we won't have problem with getting at least 7 entries in TT3. Also supersize option has brought a lot of instructors and racer into TT.