2019 - SCCA Time Trials
Dec 13, 2018, 11:53 AM
#16
Evolving Member
i think that's just typical scca. they feel that unless every single aspect of every single car is somehow covered under a specific rule, people will go crazy building monsters and it's not fair, and thus would harm competition and participation.
nasa, gridlife, every other racing series: hold my beer...
nasa, gridlife, every other racing series: hold my beer...
Zack
Dec 13, 2018, 12:55 PM
#18
I am bummed my car doesn't fit well in both SM and Max2, Really seems like its more XP and Max2 better matched excluding stripped interiors. But like I said before, thin panels arent that heavy. Would have to read through the rules again but doesnt seem that far off from Zust or McKee running it other than maybe weight limits.
I do hope they find some parity between the series and the whole thing is successful. TA/TT is pretty much all I have interest in as a next stage from AutoX but the PNW has tried and failed everytime so far.
I do hope they find some parity between the series and the whole thing is successful. TA/TT is pretty much all I have interest in as a next stage from AutoX but the PNW has tried and failed everytime so far.
Dec 13, 2018, 01:28 PM
#19
The first thing that I see is that there are far too many classes, you will be lucky to have one other person in your class to compete with unless the series just explodes. Also, that is the worst organized set of rules I have ever tried to read online. Unless you read all the classes cover to cover it is a lot harder to get a feel for what is allowed and what isn't.
They have a Portland date, and I would like to participate. I feel however they are off on the wrong foot with have 5 levels of classification within every class......
Zack
They have a Portland date, and I would like to participate. I feel however they are off on the wrong foot with have 5 levels of classification within every class......
Zack
You have to start with the lowest class and work your way up the ladder of rules until you find a class where your mods aren't disallowed. It's pretty un-intuitive, IMO, but I'm sure there's a way they have been doing it all this time. Have you seen how many classes they have for AutoX? It's nuts. Having a different badge on your car is enough to bump you from one class to a much higher one. It's kinda fun to see people scramble to figure it all out, though LOL
Dec 16, 2018, 07:08 PM
#20
Really? You find the TT rules not intuitive? In what sense? Or you just meant the way they have them organized?
I believe the rules are generally consistent with the Gridlife and GTA, so that's a good thing. I mean if you already have a competitive autox cars, anything beyond the Street Touring classes, you will be in the Max/Unlimited category but most likely be somewhat competitive until a dedicated entry comes in. Hard to be competitive in both IMO. Tuner is as far as I would go personally. Shooting for Thompson in July if all things line up by then.
I believe the rules are generally consistent with the Gridlife and GTA, so that's a good thing. I mean if you already have a competitive autox cars, anything beyond the Street Touring classes, you will be in the Max/Unlimited category but most likely be somewhat competitive until a dedicated entry comes in. Hard to be competitive in both IMO. Tuner is as far as I would go personally. Shooting for Thompson in July if all things line up by then.
Dec 16, 2018, 07:12 PM
#21
Dec 17, 2018, 09:26 AM
#28
Weight distro has always been the bummer. There's a LOT of useless stuff to be pulled out of the back half of the car but that just makes things worse because then you had to re-add ballast as you said and then re-strengthen bits from where you took metal out. Worth it if the class had a HP limit and a 2.0L min weight like STU could have been. But people just aren't willing to do that if all the other factors aren't there like tire, car count, freedom on design, etc. I'd be happy with 2700lb race weight if that didn't require $$ in carbon and 3lbs of boost lol.
Dec 17, 2018, 11:18 AM
#29
I've always prioritized weight reduction over distribution, but I've also never had to worry about a minimum weight. I'm happy they're not imposing power limits, that's the biggest reason I'm not really interested in NASA stuff. Almost everyone I know/talk to that's successful in NASA series are cheating or "loop holing" in one way or another. I just don't care for dealing with stringent rule books, if there's an obvious disadvantage in favor of something then it's pretty easy for sanctioning bodies to adjust the rules the majority of the time.
Anyone who makes 600+ hp on a 4 cylinder doesn't last long, I mean look at how many engines the RS guys went through in just this past season alone, I think they were somewhere in the 3-5 range.
Anyone who makes 600+ hp on a 4 cylinder doesn't last long, I mean look at how many engines the RS guys went through in just this past season alone, I think they were somewhere in the 3-5 range.
Dec 17, 2018, 12:17 PM
#30
I've always prioritized weight reduction over distribution, but I've also never had to worry about a minimum weight. I'm happy they're not imposing power limits, that's the biggest reason I'm not really interested in NASA stuff. Almost everyone I know/talk to that's successful in NASA series are cheating or "loop holing" in one way or another. I just don't care for dealing with stringent rule books, if there's an obvious disadvantage in favor of something then it's pretty easy for sanctioning bodies to adjust the rules the majority of the time.
Anyone who makes 600+ hp on a 4 cylinder doesn't last long, I mean look at how many engines the RS guys went through in just this past season alone, I think they were somewhere in the 3-5 range.
Anyone who makes 600+ hp on a 4 cylinder doesn't last long, I mean look at how many engines the RS guys went through in just this past season alone, I think they were somewhere in the 3-5 range.
in my autox car all i cared about was weight. in the hillclimb car we tried super hard to get weight in the rear (center actually) of the car and i end we added and EASY 100-120lbs doing so. radiator alone was probably 30-40 and the oil cooler that much again.
cut the front of the frame off and made a tubular moly set and we were still 60% front weight bias! so disheartening