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Then the question becomes - which would be more fun over the course of ownership - a TCR or a Cup.
Then the question becomes, do you want to be replacing a pile of crap VW motor all the time over the course of every season or arrive and drive a Porsche for the whole season? ;P
Then the question becomes, do you want to be replacing a pile of crap VW motor all the time over the course of every season or arrive and drive a Porsche for the whole season? ;P
There are FK8 TCR cars.
Honda also recently released a TC FK8 which is only like $90k brand new and they provide factory support which to me is an insanely good deal
I feel like if I were to build a proper track car Im going to pick something cheap to replace the chassis and build it with a great combo of parts. I just assume at all times so d*ckw*d wants to hit me on track so I spend most my time paranoid in the evo. I think id build Fox or SN95 mustang knowing its cheap and consumable. After all, the chassis is just a platform/canvas to do whatever you want or can to.
I feel like if I were to build a proper track car Im going to pick something cheap to replace the chassis and build it with a great combo of parts. I just assume at all times so d*ckw*d wants to hit me on track so I spend most my time paranoid in the evo. I think id build Fox or SN95 mustang knowing its cheap and consumable. After all, the chassis is just a platform/canvas to do whatever you want or can to.
The mustangs can be made silly light. A manual fox body is only a hair over 3k to begin with.
The mustangs can be made silly light. A manual fox body is only a hair over 3k to begin with.
The notches are under 3k to start but they do need a fair bit of help in the motor. 350whp isnt too hard but that motor just doesnt rev so it'll never make power like the coyote. 351 swap might do 400whp? That might get er dun.
Rear just needs camber, and chassis needs some work to stiffen up. Its a bit of a noodle.
The notches are under 3k to start but they do need a fair bit of help in the motor. 350whp isnt too hard but that motor just doesnt rev so it'll never make power like the coyote. 351 swap might do 400whp? That might get er dun.
Rear just needs camber, and chassis needs some work to stiffen up. Its a bit of a noodle.
Maybe 15-20years ago. But a well built SBF over 400whp and spinning 7500 rpm would be easy these days, even naturally aspirated. A 331ci in a 302 block, or a 408 in a 351 block.
No T5 will hold that kind of power though. So then you have to add in a heavy *** T56. The rear ends suck for putting power down and has to be totally reworked. The front suspension is meh too. You can't fit **** for tires under stock sheetmetal. The aerodynamics suck, it's pretty much a brick.
Sinking 50k into a fox to make it moderately not suck is easy. They need an insane amount of work to go truely fast though.
A beefier diff and trans is still less than I paid this year to replace 2 diffs and rebuild t-case/diff. Front geometry might suck to start, but we have ways to fix that. And the whole point of doing something like a 90s car they made so many of, cutting the sheetmetal for tires is NBD.
I also have soft spots for 5.0 mustangs since I've had a few. But I have been thinking a lot about what could be made both-ish
A) Cheaply fast and cheaply to repair/replace
B) Fast enough to satisfy me
Other thought is NC miata. Its a big chassis miata but lots of potential for motor swaps or boost.
You know you want to Dallas. The NC is such a great car that only gets better with real power. If I can point you in the right direction on anything NC related you're welcome to reach out. https://www.facebook.com/NCHAMR/
You know you want to Dallas. The NC is such a great car that only gets better with real power. If I can point you in the right direction on anything NC related you're welcome to reach out. https://www.facebook.com/NCHAMR/
Dang man, that build is pretty bonkers. Love the trans adapter.
A beefier diff and trans is still less than I paid this year to replace 2 diffs and rebuild t-case/diff.
Are we still talking track car? I don't think you'd be blowing up diffs and t-cases at the same rate on track. Higher gears, lower steering angles, and no launches make for a completely different environment.
Are we still talking track car? I don't think you'd be blowing up diffs and t-cases at the same rate on track. Higher gears, lower steering angles, and no launches make for a completely different environment.
Who knows what we're talking about now... Should probably make a "Winter - Im just missing the track - benchracing" thread.
NC miatas are still underrated. They'll get more popular over the next 5 years as people realize duratecs as stupid cheap to build and make power on.
But in my mind if you want to meet those two criteria you're best starting with something not uber heavy that has a 6 cylinder. Lots of factory 6 cylinders can hold 5-600hp so no need to build an engine.
It's highly likely the next vehicle I use for track driving will be a BMW. Really good aftermarket, strong yet fairly light chassis, strong trans from the factory, replacement engines and transmissions are cheap as long as it's not an S motor, and info is readily available for just about anything you need to know.
He is probably referencing the E36 and E46 gens which are 3k lbs and under. I see a ton of them out on track. Some owners see them as disposable track cars. They are also lego cars like VW's as there are a billion versions and everything basically can swap between them so you have a wealth of parts possibilities.
