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The thing about shocks and their adjustment, the damping ratio (which is what I would be looking at) is the slope of the line. Ive never been a huge fan of the trend of peaking at low velocity and then going ultra super duper digressive.
The shaftworks shock plots look a lot more penske like. But I do wish they were inverted. Still, I think I would go with Jonathans offerings.
I know the pointy end of SM is getting quite pointy these days.
That's the other problem. I like competition but I don't want to get too focused on winning and forget I do it for fun as an escape from my overthinking engineer brain. I walk the course once, don't mess with tire pressures or settings, and just go throw the car around while the ride-along laughs their *** off. Maybe I should just accept it and go play in XSA.
You guys need a series like what I run in. No limitations besides tires. Classes are based on car type only. Since the Evo is AWD, you would be in the Super class with $200k super cars but as @griceiv proved last event, an Evo can still put down the fastest lap of the day.
Our BMW club X2 class is like that, except they egg me to run in X1(racecar/ rcomps class) while i'm on 200tw
Think of it this way - Gridlife street evos seem to be making 400-430+ whp. Full bolt ons, built engines, Dallas's / SSB front/rear uprights, front and rear diffs....So more along the lines of a SCCA Solo SM car, without the aero and limited to 25psi and limited to a 255mm 200 TW tire. That's the best way I can describe how much of a knife to a gunfight my car currently stands for GL....
How are they getting north of 400 whp within the street rules? Can they swap in turbos from the FQ series Evos?
How are they getting north of 400 whp within the street rules? Can they swap in turbos from the FQ series Evos?
That was my thought as well. 25psi definitely limits things, but I've been hearing of high compression, stroked engines. JDM shortened 5th gear (which makes a massive difference if you have to go into 5th gear -obviously doesn't impact power) I'm unsure all that really falls within the guidelines or the spirit of these rules but they read much differently that say, SCCA rules where if it doesn't say you can make a certain mod, you absolutely can't. But the way they are being interpreted is pretty much anything bolt on goes, unless prohibited by their ruleset.
The kicker to me is the turbo has to be rated at 41lb/m - which if I'm not mistaken is what a stock evo 9 turbo does from the factory. Any sort of stock frame/bolt on turbo would be illegal - at least for an evo, right?
Brent, you definitely need to start with what is your main goal. Then add a sub goal or two.
Do you want to win nationally or locally, is that elusive nationals Jacket important to you, do you care about PAX (locally indexed for competition), need to be competitive in multiple series, etc...
I have no clue whats going to happen to SM vs XSA long term. One definitely pulls from the other and I know the pointy end of SM is getting quite pointy these days. But a lot of series are coming out with open rulesets and 200tw tires. That has a lot of allure for me but its hard to give up on my Hoosier factory.
Definitely want to go after an elusive Nationals jacket - no doubt. I've been pretty close on 2 out the 4 days over the last 2 years at Nationals (2 days I had 2nd fastest time for the day). Just haven't been able to have two really strong days in a row just yet!
I absolutely have some thinking to do over the long winter!
That was my thought as well. 25psi definitely limits things, but I've been hearing of high compression, stroked engines. JDM shortened 5th gear (which makes a massive difference if you have to go into 5th gear -obviously doesn't impact power) I'm unsure all that really falls within the guidelines or the spirit of these rules but they read much differently that say, SCCA rules where if it doesn't say you can make a certain mod, you absolutely can't. But the way they are being interpreted is pretty much anything bolt on goes, unless prohibited by their ruleset.
The kicker to me is the turbo has to be rated at 41lb/m - which if I'm not mistaken is what a stock evo 9 turbo does from the factory. Any sort of stock frame/bolt on turbo would be illegal - at least for an evo, right?
Here are their rules as we speak.
Oh, there it is right in the rules. I must have pulled up a different years' ruleset because I didn't see that at first.
Looks like the Gears and Gasoline Evo uses an HKII from an FQ440 EvoX, but according to those rules above it just needs to be stock frame and under 41 lbs/min?
The 41 lb/min limit basically comes down to finding the stock frame turbocharger with the most conservative ratings, right?
EDIT: Link to the Gears and Gasoline video at the timestamp where they talk about the rules (at the time) and their turbo choice:
Oh, there it is right in the rules. I must have pulled up a different years' ruleset because I didn't see that at first.
Looks like the Gears and Gasoline Evo uses an HKII from an FQ440 EvoX, but according to those rules above it just needs to be stock frame and under 41 lbs/min?
The 41 lb/min limit basically comes down to finding the stock frame turbocharger with the most conservative ratings, right?
From what I gathered in other discussions that the turbos they specifically listed in their rules - apply to the STI and not necessarily the evo. But since it's listed - evo guys are going with it even though there's no way that is only at 41lbs/min.
None of the stock frame turbos that I'm aware of, are at 41lbs/m or lower. Even the 71HTA which is literally the next step up from the stock Evo 9 turbo, flows more than 41lbs/m - obviously>
I mean I have no skin in the game. It's just odd they state the turbo is OK, but contradict their own rules by doing so. I sent an email for clarification without response so far.
Oh, there it is right in the rules. I must have pulled up a different years' ruleset because I didn't see that at first.
Looks like the Gears and Gasoline Evo uses an HKII from an FQ440 EvoX, but according to those rules above it just needs to be stock frame and under 41 lbs/min?
The 41 lb/min limit basically comes down to finding the stock frame turbocharger with the most conservative ratings, right?
EDIT: Link to the Gears and Gasoline video at the timestamp where they talk about the rules (at the time) and their turbo choice: https://youtu.be/V8SLeUOjBQ0?t=174
I think Gridlife's definition of "affordable" and street class is interesting to me. I'd estimate, on top of what I've already dumped into my STU evo, that I'd have to spend somewhere in the vicinity of another $15,000 - $20,000 to get it to the level of Ben's car - easily. Again, that's figuring on top of my current 9/10ths STU build....
I think Gridlife's definition of "affordable" and street class is interesting to me. I'd estimate, on top of what I've already dumped into my STU evo, that I'd have to spend somewhere in the vicinity of another $15,000 - $20,000 to get it to the level of Ben's car - easily. Again, that's figuring on top of my current 9/10ths STU build....
I don't believe one can have a passenger in Time Attack at Gridlife.
I know the same car can have a co-driver - but the car would have to compete in two different classes. IE: 1 driver in HDPE 1 driver in TA. If that makes sense.
I don't believe one can have a passenger in Time Attack at Gridlife.
I know the same car can have a co-driver - but the car would have to compete in two different classes. IE: 1 driver in HDPE 1 driver in TA. If that makes sense.
ok. i was thinking maybe some folks got homecourt advantage with some tracks so they dont really need track time all weekend.
not only you'd need a big lump of money to make a class killer, it takes time. maybe take it slow and get to know the tracks? would be great if you pick up a co-drive one day
or do the Optima challenge, and get the $25k prize money. I think you can beat them
Last edited by ViciousLSD; Oct 28, 2022 at 03:12 PM.
From: Why do they always call the Evo the Dark Side?
Originally Posted by LV///R
I think Gridlife's definition of "affordable" and street class is interesting to me. I'd estimate, on top of what I've already dumped into my STU evo, that I'd have to spend somewhere in the vicinity of another $15,000 - $20,000 to get it to the level of Ben's car - easily. Again, that's figuring on top of my current 9/10ths STU build....
And 15-20k would be a nice head start on a 2.5L NC Miata, 8th gen Civic Si, or a BRZ/FRS/GT86, etc etc.
ClubTR looks pretty appealing, but the rules for street class already look like they got a little out of whack (i.e. allowing the rare expensive S209 turbo). Like.. just make the S209 (and all its parts) ineligible because it's too rare and call it a day.
On the one hand I think someone like you can win STU with a car that isn't 100% totally optimized for autox (for instance, the extra weight from a rollbar). On the other it's hard to have a car that's optimized for multiple rule sets. I signed up for a track event in October but ended up getting moved to the waitlist bc they lost some instructors or something and I think it was kinda a blessing in disguise, thinking about keeping the car properly oiled on track (without a $texas oil pan, Accusump, etc), 4th gear not blowing up (6 speed problems), catching someone else's oil/coolant, etc etc.
