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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:04 AM
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Did the clutch pedal feel different at all?
Like I said now that you mention it, yes it did. But it has felt touch and go since day one so I guess I didn't realize it until KevinD explained it to me. Sometimes at red lights even it just kind of didn't have any resistance, I just thought it was ****ty Mitsu quality...which it was I guess.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:04 AM
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Are you 100% sold on the motor mounts? What stiffness are they? The AMS race durometer motor mount was just about the worst mod that I did on my car for day to day drivability.

I loved my ACT 6 puck though once I got used to it Many, many launches without any issue!

Is Shep doing anything to xfer cases and transmissions yet? If so, and you can afford to have the car down for a while longer, I really recommend having him stiffen things up. I was really worried about the pins that were shearing off in the transmission.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:21 AM
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Are you 100% sold on the motor mounts? What stiffness are they? The AMS race durometer motor mount was just about the worst mod that I did on my car for day to day drivability.
Solid plastic/delrin not solid metal. KevinD said the difference in feel is noticeable but not unbearable. I don't really DD my car and when I do it is only like 10 miles one way. I feel a ton of movement in my shifter if I hold my hand on it during DD driving. My goal is to basically full race this thing when I get it paid for, so having them do it while they are there kinda makes sense to me.

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I loved my ACT 6 puck though once I got used to it Many, many launches without any issue!
I have never been able to pull off a successful 2-step with the stocker and I know in the many races I lost by .05 or less it would have made the difference. I have really babied my drivetrain...Hell ask anyone, I usually bog on the start just to make sure I don't mess anything up and it still goes **** up.

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Is Shep doing anything to xfer cases and transmissions yet? If so, and you can afford to have the car down for a while longer, I really recommend having him stiffen things up. I was really worried about the pins that were shearing off in the transmission.
I asked KevinD about that, as I really wanted to have my diff pins replaced, he said they send it out to have it done and I am not in anyway happy with the quality of people or parts out of Lewisville Mitsu. I don't know of anyone local that has had their pins go out, KevinD also I do believe, well with respect to my massive 360hp that is. I purchased my car there and regret it from day one. I suppose if my pins grenade on me I will just send the entire freakin thing out and have shep do all of the diffs, trans, etc.

I cannot imagine owning another car. I really have enjoyed my car. I have gotten frustrated with it many times but my frustration was caused by me or someone else. I really don't look at my car like a car, I wish I did. My wife tells me all the time it's just an A-B car...it gets you from A-B. I have spent probably 1-2 hours longer doing anything to it than anyone else. I probably treat my car better than my blood relatives...oh wait I do. (my son excluded)

Having my car in the shop is like waiting in a hospital waiting room to find out if the operation was successful, had complications, or a complete failure.


By the same token, if someone said you have to trash your car with this here hammer to help a family member free of charge...I would but I wouldn't feel good afterwards.

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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:31 AM
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i thought about the diff pins, but it's like $1500. I had the down time, just not the extra cash, plus I hear the 2010s are beefed up better than the 2008s
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:41 AM
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I will kill many pandas if those go out on me after this. Same as you if you go 20 miles and you ventilate. Strength in numbers...?
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:48 AM
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I will kill many pandas if those go out on me after this. Same as you if you go 20 miles and you ventilate. Strength in numbers...?
This is 100% why I got rid of the Evo. I was anticipating the ventilation and I wasn't sure that I'd be able to survive it lol.

My AMS front mm was plastic, but was of the higher stiffness. I think you've got it well planned out though

Have you installed the roll center correction kit? Front sway bar? Both are good "while we're in there" type changes.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:54 AM
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That is very true. When i did my clutch and AMS ring I did the front sways. Overlapping labor.

Sean, did you notice a difference with the RCK?? I've heard some say it's great and other say it's not needed on the X
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:55 AM
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This is 100% why I got rid of the Evo. I was anticipating the ventilation and I wasn't sure that I'd be able to survive it lol.

My AMS front mm was plastic, but was of the higher stiffness. I think you've got it well planned out though

Have you installed the roll center correction kit? Front sway bar? Both are good "while we're in there" type changes.
I was going to do the sways but they are not dropping my sub-frame so it would be an additional cost. Richard said they have only dropped the sub-frame a time or two and it wasn't the best way to swap a clutch.

I have had my roll center checked by PTP and they didn't recommend it. I will re-evaluate it next season (January) if I need it after dropping the car another inch, I have to accommodate for suspension wear and realign anyhow.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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That is very true. When i did my clutch and AMS ring I did the front sways. Overlapping labor.

Sean, did you notice a difference with the RCK?? I've heard some say it's great and other say it's not needed on the X
Were those that say yay or nay showing up to track/autox events? Daily driving doesn't count! It depends on your roll center, it can be measured easily enough.

So I guess we are getting differing information? Did you pay extra to drop the sub-frame? Because if they do drop it to do the clutch I want a set of Hotchkis bars installed.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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i cant remember if they did it wasnt much
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 08:03 AM
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When we put on my front sway we just lowered the subframe and left it bolted up. Richard and I did it together. It likely took a bit longer due to having to work it in and out, but it wasn't nearly as bad as all the other stuff you have to do if you're completely dropping the subframe.

The front sway, on rcomps, is 100% necessary IMO. I put it to full soft on street tires, but on rcomps it was night and day. I had the cobb bars (at the time, they were, to me, the best balanced in terms of they front/rear stiffness compared to stock, not sure what's up now).

The RKC was the last suspension change I made. It was a very, very subtle change. For autocross, I don't think it made all that big of a difference. For the track it did because in sweepers I was experiencing bumpsteer and it was a bit scary as the car would get twitchy in turns, especially if I hit a bump (either rough track or rumble strips).

I made these two crappy graphics a while ago to help explain what's happening:




In a turn, on a lowered vehicle, the turn actually forces the wheel even further up into the chassis, causing you to have less grip, more tire wear, and in my case I actually started to bottom out when I had a lot of grip/was making a very high g turn.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 08:05 AM
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Actually, now that I think about it... for autox, it did make a difference in the slaloms. The car was less twitchy and transitioned better (on rcomps). Out as miserable wells it made a difference too (higher speed, rougher surface, and I typically was on street tires).
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SiliconTek
and another OEM CMC with the AMS ring. I know, so many say it doesn't work
Cobb seems to stand behind and recommend the AMS ring so I also plan on getting one when/if my stock clutch needs replacement. I know they've had terrible results with the SSP CMC's and refuse to even install them anymore.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Cobb seems to stand behind and recommend the AMS ring so I also plan on getting one when/if my stock clutch needs replacement. I know they've had terrible results with the SSP CMC's and refuse to even install them anymore.
I have not read anything positive about the SSP other than it is metal vs plastic... The Magnus CMC, no thank you, I will save that one for the day I decide to gut it and repaint the entire car, that install is pretty damn ugly. I would rather pay many times over for a stocker than to have the firewall butchered like that.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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AMS has one coming out soon too.
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