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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Giving away a bro tune is more like handing out a virus. Like trying to make friends but instead, you give them herpes.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Not that I want to mess up the drama since it's been awhile, but you guys that have rolled the rear fenders, looking for input. I've read it's all about heating up the paint well and taking your time. Is it doable at home? Brian, Justin, Jeremy or anyone else with feedback? Where can you get the roller and good heat gun? Thanks guys!
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MondoBongo
now you're just not even making any sense. what exactly does JUN have to do with this?

you don't need to sign a binding contract. it's a simple case of intellectual property rights. they created the product, they sell the product, it is their product. it is not yours to distribute as you see fit. i know you must see yourself as some type of evoM robin hood, fighting the big corporate tuner shops, but come on now. when you boil it all down, you're just a common thief trying to make friends by giving away something which does not belong to you, and that you have no right to pass along.

ask your girlfriend. isn't she in grad school for law or something?
Not law.

Jun and BF272's are nearly identical. "simple case of intellectual property rights" Lets not start tooting big words out our bum hole now... it's a service, not a product anyways, I keep my ECU and it is simply "modified", thus the idea of it being a service and not a product.


I am not a hater of large corporations, i love what wal*mart does for us.

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This is why patents are created. But then again, its like putting a patent on programming your universal remote. Anyone can do it, its to broad of a "product/service" to apply a specific patent on it.

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.

As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Evol.ved
Giving away a bro tune is more like handing out a virus. Like trying to make friends but instead, you give them herpes.
I said a couple names. I never pinpointed exactly who's tune it is. Could by my secret sauce for all we know
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.

As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
I just may borrow that Jeremy, trying to see if it's worth the effort to get 275's under the evo. I have 9.5" wheels so that should be fine just double checking the negatives.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.

As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
I stay away till i get bored and need to argue. I know there is always an opportunity to do so on here. And seeing that I still own an evo i dont mind chatting with fellow evo owners on the local Pittsburgh meet thread.

speaking of logic. in 1966 spock said.. "Congratulations on a dazzling display of logic"

Are you congratulating me on my dazzling display of logic?
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Peteypab2133
Not law.

Jun and BF272's are nearly identical. "simple case of intellectual property rights" Lets not start tooting big words out our bum hole now... it's a service, not a product anyways, I keep my ECU and it is simply "modified", thus the idea of it being a service and not a product.


I am not a hater of large corporations, i love what wal*mart does for us.

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This is why patents are created. But then again, its like putting a patent on programming your universal remote. Anyone can do it, its to broad of a "product/service" to apply a specific patent on it.
actually as a software engineer i am very familiar with the term "intellectual property", as well as the concept of software as a product, not as a service. software as a service (or SaaS) is something different entirely.

also i am willing to bet that you could patent, or at least copyright, many of the changes that these tuners make to the ecu. obviously though you seem to be an expert in this area.

so you can dance around all you want, back peddle all you want, and obfuscate all you want. the simple fact remains. you are a crook.

thanks for playing.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Peteypab2133
I stay away till i get bored and need to argue. I know there is always an opportunity to do so on here. And seeing that I still own an evo i dont mind chatting with fellow evo owners on the local Pittsburgh meet thread.

speaking of logic. in 1966 spock said.. "Congratulations on a dazzling display of logic"

Are you congratulating me on my dazzling display of logic?

LOL, Nice quote! And hey if your here for arguement sake then pittsburgh thread is always open. So can we have the whole story on the evo?
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
LOL, Nice quote! And hey if your here for arguement sake then pittsburgh thread is always open. So can we have the whole story on the evo?

Just for clarification for us AARP members. Wasn't it his dad's evo he did all that **** to?
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MondoBongo
actually as a software engineer i am very familiar with the term "intellectual property", as well as the concept of software as a product, not as a service. software as a service (or SaaS) is something different entirely.

also i am willing to bet that you could patent, or at least copyright, many of the changes that these tuners make to the ecu. obviously though you seem to be an expert in this area.
This brings up an interesting side debate. Regarding legalities. From my understanding it is actually illegal to touch the stock ecu of the car due to federal emissions laws that are very broad.

You can't copyright or patent something illegal which probably explains who noone has done it yet.

Just food for thought.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Evol.ved
Just for clarification for us AARP members. Wasn't it his dad's evo he did all that **** to?
close but no cigar. Cosigner yes, owner no.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jerdeitzel
LOL, Nice quote! And hey if your here for arguement sake then pittsburgh thread is always open. So can we have the whole story on the evo?
Here is the whole story...

Bought evo. planned to not touch it. few months later was going to trade (steve@NRG) my stock motor for his built plus cash. Pulled it, and he sold his whole car over the weekend. So, then i had a motor out of the car, with nothing to replace it with. Didn't have the money to build it immediately, so it took a VERY long time for me to do it. So long i actually kinda got bored of the build and just wanted my car back to drive. One of the first things i bought was a turbo kit from ETS/PaulNelson/LucasEnglish and did not know that it was junk. it sat for almost a year before it actually got put on my car, and when it did I hated it. wouldnt hold boost, took forever to build it, and made the driving experience crappy.

Soo, I was having my car towed up this week to have a custom top mount turbo manifold designed for it and going to get an HTA3586 put on it. Called all the potential buyers and told them i couldnt sell the parts, and would refund them the money. 12 hours later (which would be last thursday night) I was in a horrible accident, and immediately found my self in hot water for money. Citations/deductables/Points etc etc are all being given to me (not to mention i have to pay for the parts on the car that were not covered on the car by the insruance).

Soo, then the next morning, i called everyone back, and agreed to do the part out again. I will have a stock evo within like 2 weeks, and plan to finally put some miles on it 3 years later.


Thats the story.
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike01gsr
Not that I want to mess up the drama since it's been awhile, but you guys that have rolled the rear fenders, looking for input. I've read it's all about heating up the paint well and taking your time. Is it doable at home? Brian, Justin, Jeremy or anyone else with feedback? Where can you get the roller and good heat gun? Thanks guys!
My friend and I just did my car last week. It is time consuming if you really try to be careful and getting a feel for how much you have to roll them. There is a local subaru guy who has one and is cool about letting people use it. On my car my rear are 18 X9-1/2" with +26 offset. I think the car has lowering springs and I rub a little cornering...another note.... we compared tires i had on my rotas (Falken Ze512) Vs the tires on the new wheels(Nitto 555R) both 255/35/18 and the designs are totally different. The falkens look more streched and the sidewall is angled. The nittos are totally square and the contact ptach is much wider. so i would check into actual dimensions before you order tires

ps even being very careful the paint did crack a little bit under the fender lip....

Hopefully this helps
Old Mar 10, 2009 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Peteypab2133
I got a decent 9 map. Will give it to you for FREE.
it seems every board has a isht stirrer.

Originally Posted by travman
throwing random maps on a car isn't the smartest choice....even for FREE.
agreed, unless the cars have the exact same mods i wouldn't even try it.

Originally Posted by MondoBongo
so once again you're out to scam someone. i see you haven't changed a bit.
someday you will learn young padawan. if ya just ignore it, he'll go away
Originally Posted by SmikeEvo
Every car is different. A tune for one does not mean it will work on another. That is Russian Roulette - at best.
true dat!

fender rollin, if anyone needs to borrow one. I know the guy and can hook it up. It the same one Jer and Brian used.



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