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Not that I want to mess up the drama since it's been awhile, but you guys that have rolled the rear fenders, looking for input. I've read it's all about heating up the paint well and taking your time. Is it doable at home? Brian, Justin, Jeremy or anyone else with feedback? Where can you get the roller and good heat gun? Thanks guys!
now you're just not even making any sense. what exactly does JUN have to do with this?
you don't need to sign a binding contract. it's a simple case of intellectual property rights. they created the product, they sell the product, it is their product. it is not yours to distribute as you see fit. i know you must see yourself as some type of evoM robin hood, fighting the big corporate tuner shops, but come on now. when you boil it all down, you're just a common thief trying to make friends by giving away something which does not belong to you, and that you have no right to pass along.
ask your girlfriend. isn't she in grad school for law or something?
you don't need to sign a binding contract. it's a simple case of intellectual property rights. they created the product, they sell the product, it is their product. it is not yours to distribute as you see fit. i know you must see yourself as some type of evoM robin hood, fighting the big corporate tuner shops, but come on now. when you boil it all down, you're just a common thief trying to make friends by giving away something which does not belong to you, and that you have no right to pass along.
ask your girlfriend. isn't she in grad school for law or something?
Jun and BF272's are nearly identical. "simple case of intellectual property rights" Lets not start tooting big words out our bum hole now... it's a service, not a product anyways, I keep my ECU and it is simply "modified", thus the idea of it being a service and not a product.
I am not a hater of large corporations, i love what wal*mart does for us.
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This is why patents are created. But then again, its like putting a patent on programming your universal remote. Anyone can do it, its to broad of a "product/service" to apply a specific patent on it.
Last edited by Peteypab2133; Mar 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM.
I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
I have the heat gun you can borrow, a variable temp one so you won't melt anything. lol. As for the roller, there is a suby guy that had one for rent but, i'm not sure if he found it. The rears are pretty easy actually if you heat if up enough. And i'd go get some touch up paint because it very easy to crack the paint.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
As the EVO world turns. I really like it when you stay away Petey, Your logic is something to ponder.
speaking of logic. in 1966 spock said.. "Congratulations on a dazzling display of logic"
Are you congratulating me on my dazzling display of logic?
Not law.
Jun and BF272's are nearly identical. "simple case of intellectual property rights" Lets not start tooting big words out our bum hole now... it's a service, not a product anyways, I keep my ECU and it is simply "modified", thus the idea of it being a service and not a product.
I am not a hater of large corporations, i love what wal*mart does for us.
edit:
This is why patents are created. But then again, its like putting a patent on programming your universal remote. Anyone can do it, its to broad of a "product/service" to apply a specific patent on it.
Jun and BF272's are nearly identical. "simple case of intellectual property rights" Lets not start tooting big words out our bum hole now... it's a service, not a product anyways, I keep my ECU and it is simply "modified", thus the idea of it being a service and not a product.
I am not a hater of large corporations, i love what wal*mart does for us.
edit:
This is why patents are created. But then again, its like putting a patent on programming your universal remote. Anyone can do it, its to broad of a "product/service" to apply a specific patent on it.
also i am willing to bet that you could patent, or at least copyright, many of the changes that these tuners make to the ecu. obviously though you seem to be an expert in this area.

so you can dance around all you want, back peddle all you want, and obfuscate all you want. the simple fact remains. you are a crook.
thanks for playing.
I stay away till i get bored and need to argue. I know there is always an opportunity to do so on here. And seeing that I still own an evo i dont mind chatting with fellow evo owners on the local Pittsburgh meet thread.
speaking of logic. in 1966 spock said.. "Congratulations on a dazzling display of logic"
Are you congratulating me on my dazzling display of logic?
speaking of logic. in 1966 spock said.. "Congratulations on a dazzling display of logic"
Are you congratulating me on my dazzling display of logic?
LOL, Nice quote! And hey if your here for arguement sake then pittsburgh thread is always open. So can we have the whole story on the evo?
actually as a software engineer i am very familiar with the term "intellectual property", as well as the concept of software as a product, not as a service. software as a service (or SaaS) is something different entirely.
also i am willing to bet that you could patent, or at least copyright, many of the changes that these tuners make to the ecu. obviously though you seem to be an expert in this area.
also i am willing to bet that you could patent, or at least copyright, many of the changes that these tuners make to the ecu. obviously though you seem to be an expert in this area.
You can't copyright or patent something illegal which probably explains who noone has done it yet.
Just food for thought.
Bought evo. planned to not touch it. few months later was going to trade (steve@NRG) my stock motor for his built plus cash. Pulled it, and he sold his whole car over the weekend. So, then i had a motor out of the car, with nothing to replace it with. Didn't have the money to build it immediately, so it took a VERY long time for me to do it. So long i actually kinda got bored of the build and just wanted my car back to drive. One of the first things i bought was a turbo kit from ETS/PaulNelson/LucasEnglish and did not know that it was junk. it sat for almost a year before it actually got put on my car, and when it did I hated it. wouldnt hold boost, took forever to build it, and made the driving experience crappy.
Soo, I was having my car towed up this week to have a custom top mount turbo manifold designed for it and going to get an HTA3586 put on it. Called all the potential buyers and told them i couldnt sell the parts, and would refund them the money. 12 hours later (which would be last thursday night) I was in a horrible accident, and immediately found my self in hot water for money. Citations/deductables/Points etc etc are all being given to me (not to mention i have to pay for the parts on the car that were not covered on the car by the insruance).
Soo, then the next morning, i called everyone back, and agreed to do the part out again. I will have a stock evo within like 2 weeks, and plan to finally put some miles on it 3 years later.
Thats the story.
Not that I want to mess up the drama since it's been awhile, but you guys that have rolled the rear fenders, looking for input. I've read it's all about heating up the paint well and taking your time. Is it doable at home? Brian, Justin, Jeremy or anyone else with feedback? Where can you get the roller and good heat gun? Thanks guys!
ps even being very careful the paint did crack a little bit under the fender lip....
Hopefully this helps
it seems every board has a isht stirrer.
agreed, unless the cars have the exact same mods i wouldn't even try it.
someday you will learn young padawan. if ya just ignore it, he'll go away
true dat!
fender rollin, if anyone needs to borrow one. I know the guy and can hook it up. It the same one Jer and Brian used.
fender rollin, if anyone needs to borrow one. I know the guy and can hook it up. It the same one Jer and Brian used.


