http://www.motorists.org/issues/tick...et_system.html

do some reading, maybe you don't agree but at least look at a different point of view

 

Ok before this gets out of hand lets talk about this civilly, As far as insurance company buying radar guns is not true, we get them from state money and grants, and also from the State police.

 

Thats right i dont agree cause i live it, and u sir dont! Lets be honest! U think i would risk my life when pulling over a car so a municipality can get revenue? You are highly missed informed.

 

i'm not trying to insult you or any other police officer in any way.

simply trying to point out that the whole system is corrupt and needs a lot of improvement.

and i don't think you are risking your life so a municipality can get revenue. i think you are pulling people over cause that's your job. as the young kids would say today, "don't hate the playa, hate the game"

i don't agree that the current system even attempts to make traffic any safer. the novelty is there, however it falls way short of any presumed goals, and serves only those who have an invested stake in the system. in fact i don't agree with a lot of the business practices in today's soceity, particularly in government, since it only seems to serve people in high up positions, and everyone else is suffering because of it. hey that's capatilism for ya.

 

I read a little on that site and makes some good points, but mostly i disagree. I think motor vehicle laws or aka title 39 is very important. Do you think that there should be anarchy on the roads no laws or should motorist pick and chose what laws to obey? Its ur legislature that makes these laws and law enforcement applies these laws. Sure we don’t like to get tickets, and i have had my share when I was in the Marines driving home to jersey from N.C. They suck but i was speeding and who can i blame the cop who was doing his job, the legislature that made the speed limit which I chose to violate.

What whole system is corrupt cupOZnj law enforcement I hope that’s not what you are referring too?

 

highway patrol usually do not have quotas, more of a city co p thing

 

nope, law enforcement is just the tool of the legislature that creates the laws. i think police officers generally have noble ideas, but the whole system is just out of whack.

with regards to speeding, it is a very inconsistent law. it seems to be very subjective and in the defense of motorists, a very unclear line as to what is considered speeding, and what is considered a ticketable offense.

for instance, if you drive down the parkway on any given day traffic will be moving at 75-80mph. thousands of cars travel at this pace, however not one of them will be given a ticket for breaking the law. the speed limit is a definitive 65 mph, but motorists are allowed to break this law to a certain extent. then, what makes someone that is doing 85 so much more different than everyone else doing 80? where do you draw the line? the line SHOULD be 65mph. and if that is agreed to be the fastest speed that is safe for travel on the highway (in most cases its not and can be faster than this) than why not pull over everyone for travelling over 65? just start picking people one by one, if 100s of people are pulled over every day, after a week or so the message will get around that even if everyone else is doing 75 (or even 66), you can still be pulled over for breaking the law. they've tried this before, and it doesn't work, because the people reject it. because if everyone did 65 than there would be way too much traffic. letting people do up to 80mph allows traffic to flow better, which is true. what should be done is raise the speed limit to 80, and give definitive tickets for anyone that travels over this limit by even 1mph. post a recommended speed of 65 and an absolute speed of 80. give more tickets to drivers who don't stay to the right. i can't tell you how many times i've been on the highway, everyone is in the middle/left lane doing under the speed limit, and the right lane is COMPLETELY open. the only problem with this is that it would probably work in terms of getting people to not speed over 80, but it would reduce the amount of traffic fines that are given out.

it's an imperfect world we live in.

 

some cops i've talked to and are friends of my family told me that tickets are a way for a town to make money. i don't know about highway tickest tho.

 

Every time a cop makes a stop he or she runs the risk of losing their life. You might not think so, but they do. Hell, just by putting on the uniform they run a higher risk of losing their life than you or me.

Some things to think about: last year alone in the United States there were more deaths from guns than Great Britain, Germany, Spain and the next three of the largest European nations combined. In Washington DC and New York last year there were more deaths from violence than the number of American casulties from the Iraqi war and the Afganistan wars so far. Do you even realize how many deaths each year are attributed to vehicles and speeding? I wish I had the time to look up the numbers cause they speak volumes and even a retard would get the point... Cops are doing their jobs. Pick up a newspaper (they are far better at giving you local news than watching CNN or even the new broadcast on TV... bet you can find at least one traffic incedent that ended in someones death reported in your paper at least once this week)

But more to the point cops, just pulling over a person who is speeding or drunk, get killed when the person decides to evade the police or run them over. It happens.

You guys say that there are quotas and that the system is flawed. Ok then... lets say you're all right. And cause you're right lets play by the honor code when driving. No more cops, no more sebriety check point, no more sticker inspection or any of the those things. In other words stop driving your cars like you own the road and start driving like you acually care about the kids in the minivan you might hit at 90mph. It won't happen and their will always be cops on the road but in the mean time, while we are moving toward that Utopian society where all drivers are good semeritans, try to drive according to at least some sembelence of civility.

Today I saw an accedent on I-95 south in Northern VA around 3:00. They had to land a hellocopter on the highway to get the injured person to a hospital. I was pissed that I had to spend an hour not moving but when I saw the wreck of twisted metal and car parts I said daym! But in retrospect now after reading some of the stupid posts on this thread I thank God I live in a country where the law is so concerned about my saftey that they will pull me over because I am speeding. And thank God it wasn't me in that wreck.

Chances are that you know someone envolved in a car wreak or worse, you might know someone who has lost their life from excessive speed. Just remember that when you drive your car fast you don't just indanger your life but also the lives of those who share the road.

I guess this topic just pissed me off... Sorry if you don't agree, but I implore you to read the statistics if you don't. And just drive safe and with concern for your fellow motorists.

Shingen

 

ok, i think the bottom line cupOZnj is tryin get accross is that if the government was so enthusiastic about safer streets, they should take an example from a country (germany for one) on how to do so. like he stated, germany has no speed limit on some roads yet is shown STATISTICALLY to have less automobile deaths than the states. as stated before, why not fix the source of the problem (drivers ed, etiquette, etc). but you don't see that do you? all we (the "criminals") see is more tickets. granted, might be well desreved in some cases. now, slap me silly and call me charlie, but all yer doin (pitbul09) is huffin and puffin, but can't really prove anything to the contrary of what cup has said (and proven with statistics and findings of other sources). all you have is your stubbornness. yes, i'm judging, why? well you didn't even bother to read the articles he posted!

yes, i know you have your opinion, but it's kinda hard to argue with facts no? SHOW ME THE MONEY! how bout some proof that cupOZnj doesn't know what he's talkin about? swallow your pride, think outside the box. you don't always have to walk the line. oh i could be new, but being a cop don't make u right, remember that.

 

Traffic tickets are not about safety period in most cases. The most dangerous roads (i.e. mountainous twisty roads) never have any radar enforcement. Why??? Often because there is not many places to hide and also the speed limits are usually more realistic.

Furthermore, if they are about safety then why apply the same speed limits (and we all know speeding tickets are given in a VERY discretionary manner) to cars and drivers with vastly different limits? For example, my EVO probobly accelerates, handles and brakes 20-30% better (we can calculate the actual number based off a number of objective tests) than the average car on the road. Why (when its discretionary in many cases) would you ticket the car when its obviously within its margin of safety? Mind you on these same roads numerous less capable vehicles are exceeding these speeds regulary. Then there is the age factor. How can you say that I (late 20s) have the same reaction times and driving skills as an 85 year old man who can barely see?? How about the inattentive drivers with cell phones for that matter??

Then there is the obvious selective enforcement. Race, age, sex, area of residence and of course relationship to the police communty are huge variables for whether a ticket is issued or not. Is that not a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment to the United States Constitution???

I understand and respect police officers as they play an important role in society. However, when it comes to traffic tickets, local revenues and power trips play too much of a role.

 

HOLLYW00D lol are u kidding me! Huffing and puffing hardly! No facts on what that cup said that the money brings in revenue I are ready stated that it doesn’t. Well how should I prove it, bring a towns financial record and track the money are to were it goes, I don’t think so. To many people take a little criminal justice class in college and they got it all figured out by a teacher that’s some liberal and all they talk about is profiling and 1st amendment rights. Hollywood anyway who are you even to say being a cop doesn’t make u right I never even said that nor do I even closely feel that way. I also stated I want to keep this civil. So what’s your problem!

Plane and simple obey traffic laws and guess what no tickets its that simple! And if you got a problem with that go get a lawyer and fit it!

 

**** u don’t have to hide to run radar! You can be moving forward and even in reverse too! no hill near me so never had the chance but speeding in that type of terrain u get what you deserve. I will not even get into how every single cop looks for speeders! ill tell you this that’s its not base on age, sex, race, religion, make of car, color of car, braking distance of car, 1/4 mile time, driving skill, ect.....


Now this comment was exactly what I was talking about in my last post revhappy!
"Then there is the obvious selective enforcement. Race, age, sex, area of residence and of course relationship to the police community are huge variables for whether a ticket is issued or not. Is that not a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment to the United States Constitution???"

Traffic law is there for a reason and to think that driving on the roads would be safer with out them is just ridiculous.

 

you just came off as a pompous ***** is all. if i was wrong in my judgement, then don't let it sting. as far as the revenue goes, where is the money goin to then? i know you guys rake in a lot off cash, but where does it all go if not to the counties or municipalites? police departments? hardly, otherwise every squad car would be rollin around with "instant-on" radar. if you can't prove the money doesn't go to the town/city, at least prove where it does go. i mean, you are dead set on that it doesn't go to the city, so enlighten me (and others perhaps) with the "inside" scoop. i know you're not getting payed any more for meeeting quota, and i know your not getting payed any less for just "patroling". as the shoa lin monks say "buddha bless you"

 

i don't remeber anyone sayin that there should be no traffic law... can you post a quote? i don't feel like rereading everything

i myself would be all for traffic control as our logical and common sence friends accross the pond have theirs established. can you say with a straight face that our traffic laws/control is better than germany's?