^ speaking of driving cars... you owe me a session in your car at summit and I indent to collect this weekend.
I wanna feel the ATP turbo lag, son!

 

One, your tuner can't account for everything. So I disagree with you here. Unless you have a tune for every type of condition.

As for the fails, I'm only considering your scenarios, and nothing else for this debate. 1, if the fuel pump fails, the engine shuts off. There's no saving that. If an injector is failing, the car go lean, and potentially throw knock light. If drastic enough, the stock ECU already retards timing. What are you failsafing? I had an AEM wideband, and like it alot. Just don't know about the usefulness of the FailSafe.

Trust me, I'm not questioning your choice in parts. Just trying to figure out if it will be of valuable for me to buy one.

 

I wanna see this in a particular order!

 

I thought I read somewhere that the Ecu will also advance timing in lean condition or when it sees knock to smooth out drivability. It can go either way if I recall correctly

 

I'll put it in order from fastest to slowest for you:

Boberto
James
Carson
Pete
Cupcakes
Chau
Dan
Chu

 

fixed

 

I'll put it in order from fastest to slowest for you:

Boberto
James
Carson
Pete
Chau
Cupcakes
Dan
Trackside ambulance
Parade lappers
Marc on his 4th cool down lap
Fans on a track walk
One-legged lesbian midget
Bangladeshi father figure
Street sweeper
Elderly man in hover round
Elderly dog in hover round
Chu


Fixed for you

 

you underestimate him

 

I argue the validity of that list......





Hover rounds are faster that one legged lesbians.

 

I don't have a dedicated tuner as of yet.

You don't need to buy one I'm just choosing to get one for myself. After using the ZT-2 is just too much stuff for me to want and buying all the sensors to get full use of it at $80+ a pop. Evoscan is just easier for me to use for logging then the ZT-2 software is. The failsafe is good for keeping your eyes ahead on track at all times relying on that it's gonna let you know when things are going wrong. I had gauges, that's why I went ZT-2 but I just feel I need more automated protection.

Just like your incident, even if only due to high miles. I went and bought Kigglys HLA, Cosworth crank scraper and Buscher baffled pan to put on, that's all I thought about at Poconos this weekend(the reason I was doing 6/10th on the oval section and wet). I just want to "failsafe" everything I can with the car as much as possible, if I'm going to start running it harder.

I can't explain it, I just know what it's said to do, this guy can better explain it.

 

Or this one, which seems less "sales pitchy"

 

so when you have "failure" what will you be doing to protect your motor?

will you cut boost and how will you do it?

 

Automated protection of course is good, but it isn't better than gauges imo. This is why professional racing uses temetry and not failsafe type equipment. Again, I'm not saying the AEM doesn't work. Just saying in the cases you've shown, its not "efficient?" I don't know if thats the right word to use. In the sense that I'm thinking of it, the AEM is attempting to do what the stock ECU and sensors are already engineered to do. I'll end the debate here. Its a mute point to discuss.

 

i always carry failsafe with me, so nothing i do is FAILED. boom!

 

I went from a lm-1, lc-1 to zt-2(between the last 4 cars) and now want to try the failsafe setup. It's all personal preference. I don't think one is better than the other, just different uses beyond monitoring afrs. No debate just mentioned it due to all the spiking comments and about "flashys" going off and that I have 0 issues without spiking. So the system may not be warranted in my case either but it's good to be cautious.