To pass inspection mainly. My current street tires are bald. I also will need to put some street miles on the evo to break in the clutch rebuild this winter/spring. Not planning on running TSM, if that's what you are worried about

Do you mean RS-3?

 

nope-
they are in fact RS-2
you can haz for $200

 

I would buy Andy's tires if I had a set of 18 inch wheels to put them on. That's a terribly good deal.

 

get at meh!

 

The point by thing was a joke but whatever. Mabye I mis-communicated the point I was trying to make. No one here is making monster hp for track duty and I just don't think ~300-350 is too much to handle for an evo on a track where average speeds are above 40-50mph, nor do I think that is too much power for stock hardware to be abused at 20 minute clips with proper parts and state of tune. I would change my driving style before trying to de-tune at what I think is low or moderate power levels.

In regard to some of your input I'd like to give my take on it in order. I do know that there are only very short periods of time throughout a lap where you will see wot, mabye 10-15% of the time sure. Since we turned this into how I would react on a track for the first time in years I would have to say the only thing that would worry me would be brakes because I would have to change to different pads and would need to learn the abilities of them gradually but thats common practice and should be common sense. I would not be racing my car if I had any concerns about it's durability.

As for the car being easy to drive is almost a personal opinion, but I am confident in knowing the limits of my personal car and how to get it to react the way I want and also when to know there are certain things it just can't do aka understeer, limit of grip ect. I am not new to these platforms and have been racing them since 1997 and I am not talking about just drag racing. I used to do quite of bit of rallyX in my galants where understeer was even more awesome.

As for tuning I really do know what kind of stress an engine goes through. Lets not forget I have done some pretty high profile calibration work on plenty of track only cars, some factory sponsored as well. I can assure you it would be no surprise to me looking at on track data, and I try to use this experience on the dyno when doing calibrations for track cars. I also know that some cars just simply cannot handle what people want out of them for track duty usually due to maintenence or poor modifications. I recently de-tuned an EVOX last week for track duty and it lost 100 horsepower in comparison. Just let it be known that the dyno (mustang) can also simulate any given road condition, as I have had to build test cycles at work to simulate a test track in canada with elevation changes and all, as well Cd, rolling resistance, drivetrain loss, vehicle weight, ect. and then have that pass a regression test for comparison against actual on track data using the same vehicle.

As for parts failing, we are just talking bolt ons right? If bolts back out it needs a different washer and stuff like that are often overlooked. Turbo upgrades are a different story and can go either way, obviously you need to choose wisely what you put on your car with the amount of abuse in mind. Thin wall chineese tubing vs. cast iron I understand all of that.

As for Nick, thank god he has a Z06 because the firechicken would simply not cut it.

I would definitely be interested in a handfull of hpde stuff but I think I would really enjoy the time trials. The question I need to ask myself is if I want the evo to hold that duty or pick up something else more purpose built that would be more fun.
I was really trying to say that our cars can handle the moderate power levels, and instead of dialing back power just try and change you driving style to accomidate it. Performance issues are a different story. I know some of the cars doing track duty now that I have touched are not even using a dedicated track tune and that is a different story as well. Just remember EGT's eventually do stabilize at given speed and load conditions, and it helps to know how fueling,cam timing, and ignition timing effect that and what is a reasonable goal to have in mind when adjusting these things, power is honestly the last thing I look at.

I say stupid crap assuming people have thick skin in here, alot of times just to start bickering matches like this and get some reactions out of people. If I made it seem like I was taking a shot at you I apologise, and that was not my intent. Just please don't assume that because people do not attend events nearly as frequently as yourself that they would be lost, and surprised once they are on a track (hence the breaking it down for me). I know you probably see it alot but that certainly does not reflect everyone.

 

He lives off 15th and chesnut.. We went out for DRANKS saturday, good times, make an appearence sometime.

 

I think if you want to keep your car as a street car then by all means go ahead and buy go fast parts. However, if you want to seriously participate in driving events, whether it's drag racing, road course, auto cross, rally cross, etc, you will see more return on investment with a good seat and steering wheel. 350hp is nice but when you have to use extra body muscle to keep yourself in your seat is no good.

 

Pete, good to know about Doug. Hopefully we can all meet up sometime this winter.

I'm not trying to jump into the debate/exchange but I don't understand what you mean by "dialing back your driving style." Whachu mean, fool?!

Chau, I agree with you on the seat. When 50% of your effort is trying to stay in one place in the cat and 50% is steering the car, its distracting. On Friday, I was reminded how much I struggle at Tbolt. My left foot always ends up quivering on the dead pedal towards the end of the day from using it so much.

 

Petey, I know your post was in no way an attack at me and was just made to get things going a little because its been kinda dead in here lately. My response to you was meant to be the same, not a personal attack on you or your driving or tuning abilities. I hope thats not how you took it cause it wasn't what I intended. I love a friendly debate/discussion err now and then.

All kidding aside, you should seriously give it TT a shot with your car. I think you'd have a blast. First you'd have to go thru the HPDE ranks and show that you are able to handle traffic and passing without point-bys and that you're safe and very aware of your surroundings, but once you prove that its pretty much game on and you can start to TT.

 

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to add to what the Chu's brother guy said, its really amazing the difference changing the controls has. The EVO is pretty good with giving feedback for a 4 door sedan and IMO the VIII/IX is pretty easy to get comfortable in while on track with a good set of harnesses, but there is something to be said for a propper bucket seat, 6 points and really solid steering/shifting and pedals.

I drove a friends Z4 M coupe a few weeks ago at summit. He's had the car roughly 5 years and this was the first time I ever drove it. Honestly, I wasn't thrilled about it at all because on the outside the car, IMO, looks awful. I imagined the inside was close the same as the outside in terms of function, boy was I dead wrong. I was FLAT OUT AMAZED with how that car felt on track. The steering wheel (big fat ring covered in suede) was just the perfect thickness and size. The shifting was like a rifle-bolt action and the pedals were perfectly, and I mean PERFECTLY, placed for heel-toe. In only a couple turns I had 100% confidence in the car because I could feel everything it was doing from the cockpit controls. I've been bugging him to drive it again ever since.

Furthermore, when I put Finebergs old Racetech seats in the M3, even with OEM 3-points, the difference in feedback was very noticable. With your butt you can feel what all four contact points are doing.

 

you fools be smoking crack. there's no such thing as too much power on track. i weld my waste gate shut and use my right foot as the boost controller. when i race mario kart, i always hold down the gas when the countdown is at 2 so i get the turbo start. i aint skurd of too much powa on track. even when i play games, it aint a game.

in other news, i'm up another level. BOOM!

 

It's too bad your English level isn't going anywhere.

 

^ and your car isn't going anywhere either.

 

Says the guy who does time attack with no wg flapper.

 

^ that was for weight reduction.