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Old Nov 3, 2012 | 05:20 AM
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Having done only one season on 10k/12k, its definitely a lot looser than it was with a more stock set up. It really mitigated/eliminated understeer for the most part. I don't think I personally would run higher rates while on street tires.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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interesting. so is the goal to try and keep the effective front and rear rates equal?
No. The goal is to balance the car with the effective spring rates. There are lots of calcs based on unsprung weight at each corner and weight distribution that can give you a theoretical target for each end. I wasn't into all the suspension calc stuff when I picked my spring rates, so I when off what I knew others used. It's somewhat trial and error to get the feel you want. Just remember that car rotation should be controlled with spring rates and alignment, not damper settings.

Originally Posted by dek0026
Having done only one season on 10k/12k, its definitely a lot looser than it was with a more stock set up. It really mitigated/eliminated understeer for the most part. I don't think I personally would run higher rates while on street tires.
I don't know what the motion ratios are on the X. Probably not too different, but I wouldn't use my numbers on your setup. It's probably safe to assume the rear is much lower than the front, so running a higher rate in the back still makes sense.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dek0026
I think we should all add this last schattenbaum event to our schedule for next year and make it like the trackdaze event. It would be a good way to end the season each year.
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we def need to coordinate more events together as a group. Would really add to the ish talking in the off season.
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Sounds like like a good plan, unitl people start complaining about money, family, and how their car done blown up.

GVC at WGI next may! Start saving your pennies now.

That includes Mike and Aaron.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 08:01 AM
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Can't go wrong with GVC at glen. Great group to run with.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by killerpenguin21
interesting. so is the goal to try and keep the effective front and rear rates equal?
The evo is front heavy, also under braking, most of the weight is transfer to the front. So you'd want a higher effective front rate.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 08:17 AM
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Can't go wrong with GVC at glen. Great group to run with.

Not so angry azn...?








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Old Nov 3, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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Old Nov 3, 2012 | 08:28 AM
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Thats more like it.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 09:41 AM
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Shoe, from what little I recall, the motion ratios for the X is something like .96 front and .84 rear.
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 09:54 AM
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hello friends. how is everyone?

dan, what coils are you running on your car

my buddy explained steering ratio to me about evos vs other cars, something like 14? I asked because the steering in the e46 i was driving felt very heavy and less precise. didnt realize how much of a difference it makes.

anyone have another explanation for our vs other cars (sti, audi etc?) that i can actually understand?

Anyone want to meet at tjs, baggats, or thereas's next door for a beer tonight or tomorrow? meeting another one of my boys early, but then wana have another beer. helps dull the pain in my knee.

come at me bro!
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by psushoe
No. The goal is to balance the car with the effective spring rates. There are lots of calcs based on unsprung weight at each corner and weight distribution that can give you a theoretical target for each end. I wasn't into all the suspension calc stuff when I picked my spring rates, so I when off what I knew others used. It's somewhat trial and error to get the feel you want. Just remember that car rotation should be controlled with spring rates and alignment, not damper settings.
yeah ill have to do more reading. im trying to wrap my head around why the the common/accepted rates on these cars are what they are rather than just slap them on.

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The evo is front heavy, also under braking, most of the weight is transfer to the front. So you'd want a higher effective front rate.
right ( was kind of surprised how much of a different feel my car had with stock vs light battery on the same track).

nevermind, i figured it was simple spring rate divided by motion ratio, but its spring rate divided by motion ratio squared. now it makes sense!
Old Nov 3, 2012 | 06:55 PM
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Wheel rate is spring rate times motion ration squared. There are lots of different places to start reading on suspension setup. Far North Racing has a nice web page with lots of good info... http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets5.html
Old Nov 4, 2012 | 08:26 AM
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Any of you guys ever seen these before?

No, I'm not buying them, Thai!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOUR-BRAND-N...66da82&vxp=mtr
Old Nov 4, 2012 | 09:26 AM
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thats the tire that pretty much every WTAC team ran this year. professional awesome has a set on the car now too for super lap
Old Nov 4, 2012 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by grillpt
Any of you guys ever seen these before?

No, I'm not buying them, Thai!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOUR-BRAND-N...66da82&vxp=mtr
Even if the tire isn't great it looks bad@ss!

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