i personally have 280's and a 3076R and wouldnt turn back. Sure youll get beat off a light by a minivan but do u really need power there? Once you get moving it just pulls and pulls. Do yourself a favor and quit worrying about spool time, just get what will make your goals and youll learn to drive your car with your new powerband later.

 

I think I reconize your name.... You use to have a Srt4. With a AGP 3147 turbo kit.
I could be wrong though.
3076 is probably good for drag racing but , I'd like to get into everything. That why Im looking for a good all around turbo.

 

Does anyone know how Full-Races' twin-scroll 3071 street/roadrace turbo would compare against the Evo Green? What about gains on that turbo and the advantages and disadvantages to it?

 

I am not sure if I would see 500whp or not it would probably depend on how agressive of a tune you went with and if you were on a AEM. AMS said that with a intake manifold and race gas that I would probably see 475whp but THAT IS all just speculation. Also I am running what most people would say is the cheapest GT30 kit you can get. I have the ATP GT3071R w/.063AR and my tune is a safe tune set up for road course. I just got back from the track tonight and it was my first time ever at drag strip so my times were not that good but even on a pretty bad 60ft time of 1.84 and hit the rev limiter in forth gear on the MR 6sp I ran a 11.8 at 118.6mph on pump gas. Also to put it in to perspective there was an evo there with a GT35R kit that could only run a 11.7. I am pretty happy with my kit and think it can only get better with more bolt-ons!! Also I am running the Cusco twin disc and love it!!

 

This is what Full Race has to say!!
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Originally Posted by jmsrx
Here are my goals for my Evo: It will be a daily driver. Drag strip-not that often, just for laughs, not looking for a serious drag car. Auto X, Solo II-this is where I want the car to shine (quick spool up needed). WHP-goal is 500. 1/4 mile times-high 10's (I know I said not a serious drag car but it would be nice if it could see these kind of numbers on a good set of tires. I know that some of these goals may not mesh (1/4 mile times/hp/and quick spool up?) but it would be great if they did... I do plan on having the engine/transmission built up by BR (will keep the engine 2.0)

The Supra is an automatic and has 104,000 miles. It has 351 rwhp and runs very well. It can't get the kids anywhere comfortably and would take at least another $15,000 to get to the next level (Boost Logic built tranny, fuel system upgrade, AEM ems, single turbo upgrade). I just don't want to spend that kind of money on a car that can't do the things I need to do on a daily basis. And though power and 1/4 mile times are the forte of the Supra, there is no comparison at all to the Evo in the corners. A built Evo would destroy the Supra at a track that had any decent twisties in it. Though the Evo makes me smile off the line, I get the biggest kicks out of it in the corners. With the money I make off of selling the Supra, I can have a well built Evo.

It definately sounds like you know what you're looking for. If you really want the car to shine in auto-x the FPgreen is actually a bit on the large side. Auto-x NEEDS early spool and early response, the only way to do this is with small size turbine and compressor wheels, especially if you plan on staying with 2.0. In fact, even our 3076R is a bit big .. the setup I recommend is our T3 twinscroll 3071R. Thats what we use on the majority of our 2.0L road race/time attack/drift cars and all our drivers have preferred this to the 3076R (with the exception of our street/strip customers who like drag racing). I agree with your decision to sell the supra in favor of the evo. We've worked on a LOT of supras in the past few years, in fact we just finished a build for toyota north america. IMHO, the Evo is simply a better platform for a street car. supras are awesome drag cars, incredible top speed cars (one of our cars just broke the mph record for the standing mile) and pretty fun all around... but if auto-x and 4 doors are your thing, it wont hold a candle to an evo. The prices that supras in good shape are getting is pretty insane. That being said, im clearly biased toward T3 twinscroll setups (almost as much as ted B ), but i obviously see benefits to both configurations.


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Originally Posted by jmsrx
Daily driver and auto X are the main considerations. I just don't want it to be a slouch at the stoplights. I will want separate maps for pump vs. race, and I am seriously considering water/methanol injection. Is anyone running a Full Race 30r twinscroll setup and how would you compare the spool up to stock and the FP green, if you have driven both?

If you want to change your setup now (and leave it for a while), a stock based 9 turbo, TME or FP green are all options worth considering. It doesnt leave much (if any) room for future turbo upgrades/changes, doesnt really allow you to do much with turbine housings, compressor wheels, etc but its very simple, and it works well. A full-race stock replacement header + ebay o2 is a good option and definately the least expensive route.

Our T3 twinscroll setups are much more versatile and offer a higher performance ceiling -- you can use: 3071R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 3076R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 3582R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 50 trim (twinscroll or singlescroll), 37R, 28RS, 2871R, etc etc. You have pretty much unlimited options, and you can tailor the vehicle and powerband relatively easily. It does cost more money, but the capability and versatility are unmatched.


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Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
no comparison. FULL RACE all the way. u have to also realize that the green is just a turbo, where as the full race is a complete kit.

thanks for the compliments, we can also sell the kit without intercooler or charge pipes which lowers the price substantially


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Originally Posted by Evo8Emperor
Man just go big or go home. Buy a 35R kit there plenty out there and there all going to make power just your opinion in the end. People make it sound like the 35R spools so slow and so much lag.

the 35R does work well, there is no doubt about it. However, it IS too big for auto-x. while it is tolerable on the street, its a relatively large turbo, will make a lot of power, and will be terrible in solo2. low rpm 2nd gear corners are the area of interest for auto x -- you dont want to throw it into 1st, but you dont want to be at such low rpm in 2nd that you fall out of boost.


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Originally Posted by Full Function
You'll need to figure out what fuel you are going to run, whether it is pump or race gas, and what fuel management as well...For auto cross, I'd go with the smaller turbo, but you will definitely be going to the drag strip for "laughs" and not low ET with high traps.

i agree with most of what you've said, but i dont think a high 10/low 11 is just for laughs... thats fast enough to get kicked off the track for not having a cage... i dont think he wants a cage in his daily driver family hauler, so going any faster than 11.49 wont be necessary.


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Originally Posted by Ted B
For autocross, even an FP Green won't measure up to a TME when it comes to snapping out of slow corners, but it's a decent compromise. A TS 3076R with .78 A/R TS T3 turbine housing is an impressively responsive setup. Realistically however, it isn't the best choice for autocross. It WILL present the capability to make very good 1/4 mile performance (one member here did 11.2@126 on 95-96 octane) with good street manners. There is no magic bullet here, just compromises. Ultimately, only you can answer your own question.

i think ive asked this in every thread you reply to, but do you want a job ted?? haha youre responses are on-point every time, very impressive


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Originally Posted by Ted B
I've driven a 3076R TS setup, and I was absolutely impressed. It's as close to small turbo feel one can get with a large turbo, but with large turbo power. TS costs more, but if one can afford it, it's worth it (TS is all I use now).

TS 3071R is simply the next smaller step in the TS 30R family
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If I had the money, I think that I might like to try that 3076 TS on my own 2.0 Liter. However, inspite of what's been said, and with all due respect, I wouldn't spend my money on a 3071 TS kit.

Instead of a 3071 TS, an FP Green with the optional, faster spooling, 9.0 cm turbine housing seems like a more viable alternative. Why? Surprisingly, on the compressor side, the Green and the 3071 essentially move the same amount of air. So, at least from my point of view, the choice boils down to which will spool faster and which is cheaper.

What does a 3071 TS housing give you? Answer: It gives you faster spool than a non-divided 3071. So maybe in TS configuration a 3071 will spoolup similar to a Green with a 10.5 cm housing.

For a lot less money than a 3071 TS kit you can order yourself a Green from FP configured with a 9.0 cm turbine housing. And I'm willing to bet my lunch money, that as a practical matter, the Green with the 9.0 cm housing will outspool the 3071 TS, while flowing the same amount of air up top.So, in spite of what others have said, I still wouldn't spend my hard earned $$ on a 3071. IMO, and for what it's worth, the Green still gives you a superior performance return for the dollar in comparison to the 3071.

 

You're just joking about the minivan, right?

 

u haven't seen my minivan dude.......lol

 

I would love to see this dynograph to see how the T spools?

 

Dont forget about the old turbocharged caravan's.

 

I have a 3076R with GSC S! cams and love it. Made power all the way up to redline. Lag is not as bad as I thought it would be but then again the 6 speed might be helping me out there.

 

I have a Full race gt3076r, still using stock intercooler piping and intercooler.. it makes great power. alot of fun

 

I went from a 3071r to a 50 trim and would never recommend the 3071 over it. On my car the 3071 felt anemic ... better than stock, but not what I though I would get. The 50 trim, on the other hand, feels more stock-ish to me, and met my performance goals of 400whp on pump. I've got a thread with lots of info on the two setups on my car ... here.

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