Policing Misinformation...
here is how i look at it:
1) what you are asking is impossible to enforce due to the nature of the forum. i can say that my car had great results with 280 cams, big turbo, 30 psi of boost and no tuning. is this misinformation? this is my opinion and no matter what you say, it works for me so it is not false.
2) if we did enforce it, every thread would have 2-3 replies tops...
3) if a person takes what he read on the internet as facts without doing further research than i truly don't know what to tell you.
4) if you see misiformation, simply correct it. the person that said the wrong thing is probably only trying to help. i doubt that any member wakes up in the morning thinking "hmmm, maybe i will spread some misinformation today and try to screw members up"
5) if you are so ashamed of being a member here, we can help you fix it. i don't mean to be rude but what you just said is a slap in the face of the entire staff as well as the face of the members. we all work very hard to make this place a nice community and if you are ashamed of being a part of it, i for one would be very happy to see you leave.
1) what you are asking is impossible to enforce due to the nature of the forum. i can say that my car had great results with 280 cams, big turbo, 30 psi of boost and no tuning. is this misinformation? this is my opinion and no matter what you say, it works for me so it is not false.
2) if we did enforce it, every thread would have 2-3 replies tops...
3) if a person takes what he read on the internet as facts without doing further research than i truly don't know what to tell you.
4) if you see misiformation, simply correct it. the person that said the wrong thing is probably only trying to help. i doubt that any member wakes up in the morning thinking "hmmm, maybe i will spread some misinformation today and try to screw members up"
5) if you are so ashamed of being a member here, we can help you fix it. i don't mean to be rude but what you just said is a slap in the face of the entire staff as well as the face of the members. we all work very hard to make this place a nice community and if you are ashamed of being a part of it, i for one would be very happy to see you leave.
Last edited by blonde; Aug 12, 2006 at 08:07 AM.
Originally Posted by blonde
here is how i look at it:
5) if you are ashamed of being a member here, we can help you fix it. i don't mean to be rude but what you just said is a slap to the face to the staff and all the other memebrs. we all work very hard to make this place a nice community and if you are ashamed to be a part of it, i for one would be very happy to see you leave.
5) if you are ashamed of being a member here, we can help you fix it. i don't mean to be rude but what you just said is a slap to the face to the staff and all the other memebrs. we all work very hard to make this place a nice community and if you are ashamed to be a part of it, i for one would be very happy to see you leave.
nail hit right on the head.....
don't think anyone on this forum would miss him if he left, and let him start his own evo forum full of nothing but his truths...
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Originally Posted by TEC
Someone that get's it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Go do it. I'll wait.
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Originally Posted by sandm
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I've have personally been in quite a few discussions here where I have brought my knowledge to the table to correct an UNDERinformed members posts, as well as when I have been UNDERinformed I have been corrected and thus learned from my own ignorance. This is all part of the learning process. If noone posts things that they think will work then noone will know if they work or not, either someones uncle tried it and blew his car up or someones uncle tried it an took a half second off his 1/4 mile time.
I don't even know you and I am appalled that you are a member of our community. You sound like the Hitler of the intraweb: "Noone without perfect information shall survive!!!!"
Not to mention this forum has over 40,000 members, almost all of which are not experts on any one subject, let alone cars. I doubt you are one of those few when it comes to anything, even moderating your own forum.
I don't even know you and I am appalled that you are a member of our community. You sound like the Hitler of the intraweb: "Noone without perfect information shall survive!!!!"
Not to mention this forum has over 40,000 members, almost all of which are not experts on any one subject, let alone cars. I doubt you are one of those few when it comes to anything, even moderating your own forum.
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Originally Posted by blonde
here is how i look at it:
1) what you are asking is impossible to enforce due to the nature of the forum. i can say that my car had great results with 280 cams, big turbo, 30 psi of boost and no tuning. is this misinformation? this is my opinion and no matter what you say, it works for me so it is not false.
1) what you are asking is impossible to enforce due to the nature of the forum. i can say that my car had great results with 280 cams, big turbo, 30 psi of boost and no tuning. is this misinformation? this is my opinion and no matter what you say, it works for me so it is not false.
Someone posts that they are going to buy pistons for their new engine which is going to be an all out race turbocharged motor making 1000 whp but have no clue about what they should buy. Someone posts on the thread that they should buy hypereutectic pistons with gas ports, very tight clearances and no pin offset. This is clearly misinformation. If no ones patrols this thread or corrects it and someone goes off and does this based upon their recommendation and the engine blows up this forum will have lost credibility not only to that person but to all those around that person that he/she explains to that they recieved this information from this forum. Not only that but the people that do not register, that sit back and laugh at the misinformation that gets passed around and copies their friends on it furthers that loss of credibility.
2) if we did enforce it, every thread would have 2-3 replies tops...
Less is more.
3) if a person takes what he read on the internet as facts without doing further research than i truly don't know what to tell you.
4) if you see misiformation, simply correct it. the person that said the wrong thing is probably only trying to help. i doubt that any member wakes up in the morning thinking "hmmm, maybe i will spread some misinformation today and try to screw members up"
People may not get up thinking that their going to spread some misinformation however if they knew that when they posted they need to be able to back up their claims that would elevate this forum to a resource and it can't be that if misinformation is allowed to run rampant.
5) if you are so ashamed of being a member here, we can help you fix it. i don't mean to be rude but what you just said is a slap in the face of the entire staff as well as the face of the members. we all work very hard to make this place a nice community and if you are ashamed of being a part of it, i for one would be very happy to see you leave.
Honestly, I didn't get it until now, your actually defending and embracing the misinformation that I've seen here. Instead of trying to make things better because it might be hard you would rather ignore it.
Last edited by TEC; Aug 12, 2006 at 08:30 PM.
Originally Posted by TEC
No one said that you shouldn't state your opinion. I'm talking about blatant misinformation. There is a huge difference between the two and I really should not have the point out the difference between them. However, since only one person so far gets it I will.
Someone posts that they are going to buy pistons for their new engine which is going to be an all out race turbocharged motor making 1000 whp but have no clue about what they should buy. Someone posts on the thread that they should buy hypereutectic pistons with gas ports, very tight clearances and no pin offset. This is clearly misinformation. If no ones patrols this thread or corrects it and someone goes off and does this based upon their recommendation and the engine blows up this forum will have lost credibility not only to that person but to all those around that person that he/she explains to that they recieved this information from this forum. Not only that but the people that do not register, that sit back and laugh at the misinformation that gets passed around and copies their friends on it furthers that loss of credibility.
Is it better to have 2-3 replies that are accurate and actually helpful than 50 that are out and out wrong?
Less is more.
For some people this may be their research, have you thought of that and if it is will this place be seen as a well of knowledge or crap hole?
I do correct it. I give by far, way more than I recieve here. I already have 10+ years of 4g63 experience under my belt.
People may not get up thinking that their going to spread some misinformation however if they knew that when they posted they need to be able to back up their claims that would elevate this forum to a resource and it can't be that if misinformation is allowed to run rampant.
Don't try to sugar coat what your saying. Your trying to be rude otherwise you wouldn't have said it. If you don't like the truth and you think it is a slap in the face then smell the coffee and change. All I have said so far is nothing but the truth. The only reason that I brought it up is to elevate things around here so that this place can be seen more as a resource.
Honestly, I didn't get it until now, your actually defending and embracing the misinformation that I've seen here. Instead of trying to make things better because it might be hard you would rather ignore it.
Someone posts that they are going to buy pistons for their new engine which is going to be an all out race turbocharged motor making 1000 whp but have no clue about what they should buy. Someone posts on the thread that they should buy hypereutectic pistons with gas ports, very tight clearances and no pin offset. This is clearly misinformation. If no ones patrols this thread or corrects it and someone goes off and does this based upon their recommendation and the engine blows up this forum will have lost credibility not only to that person but to all those around that person that he/she explains to that they recieved this information from this forum. Not only that but the people that do not register, that sit back and laugh at the misinformation that gets passed around and copies their friends on it furthers that loss of credibility.
Is it better to have 2-3 replies that are accurate and actually helpful than 50 that are out and out wrong?
Less is more.
For some people this may be their research, have you thought of that and if it is will this place be seen as a well of knowledge or crap hole?
I do correct it. I give by far, way more than I recieve here. I already have 10+ years of 4g63 experience under my belt.
People may not get up thinking that their going to spread some misinformation however if they knew that when they posted they need to be able to back up their claims that would elevate this forum to a resource and it can't be that if misinformation is allowed to run rampant.
Don't try to sugar coat what your saying. Your trying to be rude otherwise you wouldn't have said it. If you don't like the truth and you think it is a slap in the face then smell the coffee and change. All I have said so far is nothing but the truth. The only reason that I brought it up is to elevate things around here so that this place can be seen more as a resource.
Honestly, I didn't get it until now, your actually defending and embracing the misinformation that I've seen here. Instead of trying to make things better because it might be hard you would rather ignore it.
2)no it is not better to have 2-3 posts. if that is what you want, go buy the service manual and lock yourself in the bathroom with it, no misinformation there.
3) like i said, the internet is filled with crap and wrong information. any person is responsible to make their own judgment and like you have been told already, these things work themselves out in the end. someone askes a question, another person gives the worng answer and than an expert like yourself will prove him wrong and so forth..
4) alright , i won't sugar coat it: if you are ashamed of being a member here, LEAVE!!! last time i checked, nobody was holding a gun to your head. you have 10+ years of experience so you are clearly not here for the info. i know that when i hate a group or ashamed of them, i simply stop being a part of that group. let me know if you need me to help you find the log off button...
5) yes, i am embracing misinformation because it is too hard for me to deal with it... its not like i am here all day anyway moving/closing/replying/editing threads...
Its all my fault.. I did it.. Flog me with giant noodles...
Most misinformation is due to ignorance, and most are unaware of it.. People will very quickly correct bad info.
On the other hand, there is just some info that you can't get easily, some people guess, as long as its not stated as fact then you really can't blame them for trying to help.
I don't see a good solution to this, I can't say its really a problem simply because this is the internet, there's more bad info then good, and anyone with any experience in this little world of bits and bytes knows that you can't take everything at face value.
Over time you get to know the people who offer good info and those who don't.. But still, question everything..
And to those who just post bad information.. To paraphrase; "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak out and confirm it."
Most misinformation is due to ignorance, and most are unaware of it.. People will very quickly correct bad info.
On the other hand, there is just some info that you can't get easily, some people guess, as long as its not stated as fact then you really can't blame them for trying to help.
I don't see a good solution to this, I can't say its really a problem simply because this is the internet, there's more bad info then good, and anyone with any experience in this little world of bits and bytes knows that you can't take everything at face value.
Over time you get to know the people who offer good info and those who don't.. But still, question everything..
And to those who just post bad information.. To paraphrase; "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak out and confirm it."
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Its all my fault.. I did it.. Flog me with giant noodles...
Most misinformation is due to ignorance, and most are unaware of it.. People will very quickly correct bad info.
On the other hand, there is just some info that you can't get easily, some people guess, as long as its not stated as fact then you really can't blame them for trying to help.
I don't see a good solution to this, I can't say its really a problem simply because this is the internet, there's more bad info then good, and anyone with any experience in this little world of bits and bytes knows that you can't take everything at face value.
Over time you get to know the people who offer good info and those who don't.. But still, question everything..
And to those who just post bad information.. To paraphrase; "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak out and confirm it."
Most misinformation is due to ignorance, and most are unaware of it.. People will very quickly correct bad info.
On the other hand, there is just some info that you can't get easily, some people guess, as long as its not stated as fact then you really can't blame them for trying to help.
I don't see a good solution to this, I can't say its really a problem simply because this is the internet, there's more bad info then good, and anyone with any experience in this little world of bits and bytes knows that you can't take everything at face value.
Over time you get to know the people who offer good info and those who don't.. But still, question everything..
And to those who just post bad information.. To paraphrase; "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak out and confirm it."
btw TEC,
i was reading some threads on DSMsource (the "advanced" DSM forums) and i came by MANY threads with tons of misinformation like this one:
http://www.dsmsource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71224
now, a few things for you:
1) why are you not there asking for more misinformation policing?
2) i noticed that nice little thread you have going there about how much evom sucks, thanks...
i was reading some threads on DSMsource (the "advanced" DSM forums) and i came by MANY threads with tons of misinformation like this one:
http://www.dsmsource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71224
now, a few things for you:
1) why are you not there asking for more misinformation policing?
2) i noticed that nice little thread you have going there about how much evom sucks, thanks...
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Originally Posted by blonde
btw TEC,
i was reading some threads on DSMsource (the "advanced" DSM forums) and i came by MANY threads with tons of misinformation like this one:
http://www.dsmsource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71224
now, a few things for you:
1) why are you not there asking for more misinformation policing?
2) i noticed that nice little thread you have going there about how much evom sucks, thanks...
i was reading some threads on DSMsource (the "advanced" DSM forums) and i came by MANY threads with tons of misinformation like this one:
http://www.dsmsource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71224
now, a few things for you:
1) why are you not there asking for more misinformation policing?
2) i noticed that nice little thread you have going there about how much evom sucks, thanks...
That particular forum is filled with old school DSM guys as Mods that actually do police misinformation very throughly. Therefore, I have no need to ask for it unlike here.
Secondly, I said EVO forums and if you think this is the only Evo forum in exsitence then you should not flatter yourself to think it. This problem is prevalant in other Evo forums as well.
I stand behind my statement there. There is a clear attitude here that the mods are embracing the misinformation. If your not for policing it then your against it.
Last edited by TEC; Aug 13, 2006 at 07:13 AM.
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I agree that this site runs rampant with hype and ignorance. The result is a great deal of misinformation, but with the number of members here it would be a ridiculously impossible goal to eliminate it entirely. Unfortunately, the only people here that will actually gain benefit on a consistent basis are the smart and sensible ones.
Sounds like it loosely follows the model for society, huh?
Member beware....
Cabo
Sounds like it loosely follows the model for society, huh?
Member beware....
Cabo
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Originally Posted by Crzylizard
Apparentlly, not everyone is as "elitist" as you.
I'm sorry you have a problem with our gross negligence and sespool of misinformation.
We are such an embarassment. Thank you for forming such an awesome opinion after spending 3 months here.
I'm sorry you have a problem with our gross negligence and sespool of misinformation.
We are such an embarassment. Thank you for forming such an awesome opinion after spending 3 months here.
Originally Posted by SASD209
If there is such intense peer pressure by simply admitting that you are a member here, there is a real quick and final remedy available to you, if that's what you want. Seems to me most issues tend to work themselves out here; some with the help of the mods, some among the members.
You can just leave and concentrate on your other fourms. While some will miss you, the rest will get over it, I'm sure.
You can just leave and concentrate on your other fourms. While some will miss you, the rest will get over it, I'm sure.
I just want to say this again, so I will quote it^^. Oh, and after reading the past couple of days of posts, I want to stick pencils in my eyeballs. The users and Mods have spoken; you have stated your point of view (which I don't agree with) and it's not going to happen. Deal with it and stay or don't and leave. Welcome or goodbye, whichever applies to what you decide to do.
EX: 80% of EvoM will say Warrtalon is full of it and needs to shut up, and that he has no idea what he is talking about; while in all reality Warr always shoots out 100% helpful facts.
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