Once again the name calling.

Seriously, lead by example, how is this helping the topic at all?

I can't believe the mods are so negative these days... I remember a post just last week when they attacked a "tech guy".

 

nobody is saying that he has no idea what he is talking about or that he doesn't have a good opint. we are upset because of his horrible attitude and the fact that he is "ashamed" of being a member here and yet he is still here posting.

 

what is up with you and the "name calling"? crazy lizard stated a fact, TEC is acting like an "elitist". it is not name calling or anything. we are not negetive at all but we are upset about people with attuitude that think that they are better than everybody else.

i said it once and i will say it again: i will take a board filled with misinformation over a board where the members are afraid to post...

 

I'm changing my name to "Dictionary".

Elitest:

The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

I don't read into his message like you do, but you are on the defensive, even though you are in control.

What you state "crazy lizard stated a fact, TEC is acting like an "elitist"." is not a FACT! That is an opinion you and Lizard share. Tec and I don't, so does that make it FACT that he's not an Elitest? Wrong.

Come on, tell me you want as much correct information rather than misinformation. This thread is going down in Evolutionm.net history. Who is the GOD of this site...I hope they stop by this thread, this is dissapointing. That's like saying you hope Mitsubishi lies to you when you're buying your car because more people will buy one...stupid...stupid...

- I don't think people will be afraid to post...I think it will encourage people to clarify opinion versus fact as sometimes they are not easy to distinguish.

This is a forum, where everyone has an opinion and most want to help eachother, I don't think we need to have these bash outs.

Much Love,

Computerguy

 

1) all right, what crazy lizard said isnot a fact but it is his opinion. it is still not name calling like you claimed.
2) i am not on the defensive because i have nothing to lose in this discussion.
3) of course i want more true information, who doesn't. however, if we follow the brillinat recommendations of TEC, we will have a forum where every thread has 3 replies and people don't post because they are afraid of being banned if they are wrong. take a look at the link i posted to DSMsource and tell me that this is how you want this place to be, every thread has 4 replies tops and even then, 2 of them are wrong information.

4) " This is a forum, where everyone has an opinion and most want to help eachother, I don't think we need to have these bash outs."- you are 100% correct, people do have an opinion and they do want to help which is exactly why i don't think that we should punish people if they are wrong. do you beleive that kids should be smacked around in school if they get the asnwer wrong?

5) most of you are missing the mods point, we do agree that more true information is important. we do have a problem with the OP "elitist" attitude and the fact that he has done nothing to help this board and yet he finds the need to critique us and be ashamed of his membership.

love,

blonde

 

Quoting Selena y Los Dinos

"Rewind ese rewind"

You do have something to lose, when you figure it out, it will be too late...

I'm just saying the latest responses I have seen from from you and Lizard have been really negative. I'm not a huge contributor to this site, but I appreciate the resource and REGISTERED so I could show my support.

Again (like last thread), be the bigger men (or women) and don't stoop to talking DOWN to people. It doesn't encourage anyone.

Regards,

Computerguy

 

I don't see any attacking from the mods here, only defending. If you wouldn't defend you own home or the place where you work then you aren't proud of it. This is an online forum where people discuss automobiles, not an encyclopedia.

Moderator: one who arbitrates , see mediator

mediator: one that mediates; especially : one that mediates between parties at variance

Where do you get the idea that a moderator is to determine which information is accurate and which isn't? A moderator is on a forum to keep the participants from engaging in activity that is against forum rules. None of our moderators are experts. They may have a wealth of information on needlepoint or corn farming, but they don't necessarilly have degrees in engineering, aerodynamics, or gasoline fueled engines. Who's to say blonde or any one of the other moderators is qualified to determine who's spouting bullsh|t and who isn't.

On the other hand I think the mods do a pretty fair job of keeping the people who are SLINGING bullsh|it to a minimum. That's in their job description. They are here to make sure this is a productive environment, not to make sure you don't blow your car up.

If you ask someone on this forum, even someone with a evom guru title, if you should do something or buy something for your car and you blow it up that's your problem, not theirs OR the forums. If you are buying pistons for your car and you don't already know why you are buying them and what the benefits are then you need to be speaking to a mechanic, or better yet a reputable tuner.

Ignorance is common on a forum with 40k plus members, and after I read the thread linked above from dsmsource aparently it's a problem on all online forums. Ignorance, however, is not reason not to post. It's a reason to post so you can be educated by people who are not ignorant on the subject being discussed. If you wish to silence all the people that aren't experts then you have silenced everyone. Unless you designed the engine from scratch, along with every part in it and on it, you can't claim expertise. There are engineers who design racing tires for a living, but they wouldn't dare claim to be an expert on ALL tires because that would be ignorant. Likewise the unix administrator who claims expertise as an admin is lying. He or she may be an expert of their particular field of research or administration, but when they go next door to the tractor tire manufacturer or the sun based network next door they can only use comparison and conjecture to relate the two fields.

 

I didn't say attacking, I said name calling. Defend respectfully is all I'm saying. Call me a moderator of morals.


Point? doesn't mean they should act holier than thou...


Wouldn't hurt for them to educate...not saying ENFORCING would be possible, just doing the best they can...actually simply not saying: I welcome misinformation versus NO INFORMATION. That's ignorance.


I agree, overall they do a wonderful job.

Common sense, lacking on any internet forum, even any REAL LIFE group...

People have opinions, they'll post them, that is to be expected. Expert is a relative term. I am considered a computer expert, but I am humble enough to know that I don't know EVERYTHING. I don't think it necessarily needs to be a rule but something that should be considered like everything else!

I mostly have a problem with the: Misinformation is better than no information. I think we should teach this in school...The converstation would go like this:

Teacher: What is 1 + 1.
Suzie: 3
Teacher: That's Great Suzie.

Wow, that would be awesome...

I hope I'm done now.

 

For the record, I think the mods to a fine job and contribute quite a bit.

OVerall evolutionm.net has been a very postive experience and seems to be well run.

 

no, that's not appropriate. As stated, multiple times now....

Teacher: What is 1 + 1.
Suzie: 3
Teacher: That's Great Suzie, BUT THE ANSWER IS ACTUALLY 2 AND HERE IS WHY....\

is actually what happens when misinformation is posed. stop trying to defend your buddy and read the posts. I understand what he is asking, I also understand how intelligent discussions work. If everyone is always right, nothing needs to be discussed. If you are talking to one of your computer buddies and you tell him that any ddr ram will work with his motherboard, and he tells you that you're wrong because there are restrictions due to bus speed and memory architecture does that make you an *** and mean you shouldn't have opened your mouth to begin with. Just because you KNOW you are right doesn't mean you are. This is where an intelligent conversation comes into play. The person who has the most information is the most helpful, but nothing ever gets said unless that guy chooses to right a book under the no moron post rule. This is what everyone on my side of the discussion is trying to convey to you. If only the most knowledgable members post, none of which are experts, then no new information will ever be found.

This is a simplistic way to describe intelligent conversation: A is informed, and so is B. A has a statement to which B has MORE information and corrects A. A thanks B. A then relates another statement to which B agrees, and A elaborates to educate B.

Your world.... A says nothing, because he is not sure of the answer to the n00bs question. B has answered the question before and because there is nothing at stake he refuses to post -OR- A posts, but because no one else is SURE he is wrong, they just THINK they have the correct information and assume they are wrong because A has posted already with information not matching theres. The n00b blows his engine up anyway because there was not discussion and he took A at face value according to the forum rules.

I hope I am done now.

 

computerguy,

i will say this one last time since it is clear that you have a problem understanding what i am saying. i did not talk down to TEC, i was stating my opinion and i will do it again. we are not the ones acting holier than thou because we are not the ones that said that we are "experts" and that we are the ones that know it all. in fact, we openly admit that we do not know eveerything which is why it is redicoules to expect us to determine what is true or false. you seem to enjoy playing the "moral keeper" and twisting what i say around. did i say that the teacher should not correct false answers? NO, i said that she should not beat up the kid for getting it wrong. and no, i will not be the bigger person when TEC goes around other forums bashing this board and than coming here expecting to be heard and taken seriously. also. SHOW me where i said that i WELCOME misinformation!!! i said that i would choose misinformation over fear. and again, where the hell did you see name calling?!?!?! this is the definition that YOU posted:

"The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."

it seems to me that crazylizard OPINION is spot on and that no name calling was involved.

last but not least, i do NOT have anything to lose. i work for this board for free because i value the board and its members. if TEC thinks that i am a bastard that doesn't care about the members because i dont ban people for being wrong, so be it. i won't lose any sleep and guess what, i will still stand by my comments and keep working to make sure that people feel welcome here and that they can post without fear.


now, i would appreciate it if you stop twisting my words around because it is getting really annoying. i understand that you are trying to be the "hero" but that doesn't give you the right to take my words out of context.

 

according to my profile I have been on EvoM for about a year now and I have had VERY FEW negative experiences on this forum. Mostly negative exp comes from personal attacks or rudeness. Misinformation is very helpful because it brings the reasoning behind the correct answers/information out of the woodwork. Over the course of the year I have been wrong, I have been right, and I have had differing opinions from other members. When I was wrong, I admitted it, when I was right I was able to back myself up when necessary, and when I had a differing opinion I was able to open my mind to see the other point of view and was able to back mine up in order to show why I had my opinion.

EvoM is a great resource, especially when you do independent research such as I had to do in this thread. Take nothing at face value.

 

You said it...not me. "I WILL NOT BE THE BIGGER PERSON". This is my biggest problem with the you and Lizard. (you know the last post I'm talking about too)

I'm not hero, i'm no moral keeper, I'm just a normal guy with a regard for addressing people with respect regardless of how one was approached. You guys are the example as you've likely been around a while and have some seniority (which is not a problem) You are the one writing on the cuff of your emotions.

I think you guys do a swell job, I just thing in regards to this post, there had to be a better way to show the whole forum why this wouldn't work. You don't make a good impression when you guys respond the way you do.

Lastly, for the record, I don't know TEC, seriously.

 

SEE, Now I can see your point, I like it and see it, and appreciate it.

 

it sure sounds like you know him, that's all.

Personal attacks aside I think that it has been clearly explained why this will not work, by both the moderators and some of the members (hopefully my posts as well.)