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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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In need of clarification

I was recently involved in a thread on OT. Due to my participation, I received 5 points for my replies starting with this post.

The thread ended by being closed, but not before WestSideBilly took his shots:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...47#post4037947

4. He who is a complete ******** to at least three members in a single thread gets an infraction. A mature vocabulary does not make one smart, nor does it grant one permission to tell everyone else who posts that they are stupid. A sense of humor is mandatory around OT, and if you can't handle being the butt end of a joke now and then, return to whatever douchebag-laden forum you prefer.

5. The rest of you (notably shvc) get warned. Don't feed trolls.

6. Thread gets locked.
I have no problem taking full responsibility for my actions, but I do have two questions:

1. Why is a mod allowed to post crass insults and then award points to someone who supposedly did the same thing?

I said "supposedly," because profanity never entered the picture until he came along.


2. How am I a troll when I replied to a post aimed at me, written by someone who has a history of picking fights with yours truly? The same goes for the other messages.




Here is WestSideBilly's PM quoted verbatim:

Dear FJF,

You have received an infraction at evolutionm.net.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh....php?p=4037096

Reason: Breaking any forum rule not mentioned below
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Repeated derogatory comments towards other users will not be permitted. 3 pages of attacking anyone who posted in a thread? So much for being a mature adult.

If you have something against another user, ignore him or her and move on.
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This infraction is worth 5 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
evolutionm.net


As I mentioned in my response to his note, I have nothing against other user(s). From my POV, we were just having some fun. Unless something changed the concept of a discussion forum, responding to a direct comment is the nature of the beast.

WestSideBilly wrote, "3 pages of attacking anyone who posted in a thread?" Clearly, "anyone" must be a code word for folks who decided to enter the flame war with comments of their own. This is a matter of record.


Can someone please explain to me why a mod is allowed to shoot profane insults and then close the thread, while others are not allowed to speak freely?


Thank you in advance for the kind consideration.


Edit: if you'd like to read my reply to WestSideBilly's PM, I can post it, as well.

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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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Sorry, but I didn't find it fun.

Note - Don't take offense to this post like you did with all the other ones. Thank you.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Bump really curious too.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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Sorry, but I didn't find it fun.
Given the number of contentious posts you uploaded, would you name the individual who forced you to do so. You have no one to blame except yourself.

Note - Don't take offense to this post like you did with all the other ones. Thank you.
Please stay out of this. This has very little to do with you; it's a matter for the admins.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
Given the number of contentious posts you uploaded, would you name the individual who forced you to do so. You have no one to blame except yourself.



Please stay out of this. This has very little to do with you; it's a matter for the admins.
I will. He goes by the name FJF.

I suppose since you said please, I'll stay out of this. Good day sir.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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To address your first concern, I think you are right to say that profanity should have not been used. I guess we are getting to an area to what some people find as profanity and what others feel is not. I will let WestSideBilly answer this.

As for your second concern, again WSB would need to chime in to answer.

I can say this, judging by shvc1991's answer it doesn't sound like it was all fun and games.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spt
To address your first concern, I think you are right to say that profanity should have not been used. I guess we are getting to an area to what some people find as profanity and what others feel is not. I will let WestSideBilly answer this.

As for your second concern, again WSB would need to chime in to answer.
With all due respect, I don't think WestSideBilly dictates this site's policies. I'd really like to know how an admin explains the situation.

I can say this, judging by shvc1991's answer it doesn't sound like it was all fun and games.
Please read the whole thread. He was the main instigator, and it was not the first time, not was it the second, third or forth, etc. I'd truly appreciate it if my points were addressed directly.

Thank you.

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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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I will. He goes by the name FJF.
You mean I came to your home, pointed a gun at your head and forced you to upload your posts and then complain about the outcome? Fascinating.

I suppose since you said please, I'll stay out of this. Good day sir.
You're doing a great job of staying out so far.

Enough of this, please. This is a site policy issue.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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BTW, how do you guys feel about this troll?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=254724

WestSideBilly is posting away and the thread is still open, while my hands are tied. Folks are taking pathetic shots, and he's dong nothing about it. Yet, I'm the supposed "troll."

There's a big problem here. Without evenhanded moderation, I simply don't see how the Mod Squad can garner the respect they deserve. WestSideBilly's actions impact all of you.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
With all due respect, I don't think WestSideBilly dictates this site's policies. I'd really like to know how an admin explains the situation.



Please read the whole thread. He was the main instigator, and it was not the first time, not was it the second, third or forth, etc. I'd truly appreciate it if my points were addressed directly.

Thank you.
WSB doesn't dictate site policies but it's only fair for him to explain his actions. You are speaking your mind right now and feel the need to make this public, so it's only fair for him to tell his side.

As far as site policies, cursing isn't allowed. The thread will be closed and trashed.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
BTW, how do you guys feel about this troll?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=254724

WestSideBilly is posting away and the thread is still open, while my hands are tied. Folks are taking pathetic shots, and he's dong nothing about it. Yet, I'm the supposed "troll."

There's a big problem here. Without evenhanded moderation, I simply don't see how the Mod Squad can garner the respect they deserve. WestSideBilly's actions impact all of you.
I closed the thread and trashed it. I issued out what was needed. WSB should chime in soon.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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WSB doesn't dictate site policies but it's only fair for him to explain his actions. You are speaking your mind right now and feel the need to make this public, so it's only fair for him to tell his side.
Thank you for the reply.

1. OK, where is WSB? I guess I can answer that. He's on OT fueling the flames to a thread that defines a troll.

2. I'd still like to know how the policy makers feel about this event.

3. I made this public, because this is a public issue that impacts all of us.

As far as site policies, cursing isn't allowed. The thread will be closed and trashed.
Please don't do that until the issue is settled. If no record exists, there won't be much to discuss.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Man i wish I could have read that whole thing i got half way through it and woooosh. then it was gone.

I think the admins are opening up a HUGE can of worms here with the limitations set on what you can say, or how you go about saying it, or more importantly how someone interpets your words....online. I dont know.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by newimportowner
I think the admins are opening up a HUGE can of worms here with the limitations set on what you can say, or how you go about saying it, or more importantly how someone interpets your words....online. I dont know.
This is a private forum, it is run by however the owner dictates it is run and the mods must serve the owner's wishes. If the owner wants to ban everyone who owns a lancer since the site is called "evolutionm" then his wish is the law around here.

Constitutional rights are not guaranteed on a private forum.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Iamkar33m
This is a private forum, it is run by however the owner dictates it is run and the mods must serve the owner's wishes. If the owner wants to ban everyone who owns a lancer since the site is called "evolutionm" then his wish is the law around here.

Constitutional rights are not guaranteed on a private forum.
I don't recall ever mentioning a Constitutional right. This forum has a set of rules that supposedly apply to everyone. As it stands, it's not the case due to a mod's abuse of power.

In case anyone is curious, this is the guy who started the troll - looking for a fight - that was deleted (a shame).

Again, this is a matter for the admins to handle and I look forward to their comments. Please don't clutter this discussion with obfuscatory drivel.



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