There were no further questions, that was the only one in his post. The entire rest of his post was his opinion and he is free to speak it without expecting a comment from me.

 

Look at all of the mods posting here, who would I send it to first? Not like there's an alias to PM all mods or admins, is there?

I don't really care if its public or not, as long as the message gets through: we are loosing valuable information for silly reasons.

If you actually read it, and talked to the OP, why not talk to me to? I think it was pretty obvious that I had a LOT to do with the thread. Poor judgement to talk to MAP and not me IMHO.


Man you have a lot to say. You should post more regularly, its hard to respond to all of that! I'll try. Here's the thing--context. Plain and simple. Buschur claimed there were no real gains to be had from more extensive porting of the exhaust manifold, and that MAP couldn't do it. The MAP thread wasn't posted in a childish way, it was posted in the vein of 'you said we couldn't do it but we did, and it worked!' There's a lot of way you could have read that first post I guess, this is the Internet after all.

People *****ed endlessly about how the test was performed, from every possible angle, but more context: it's a single set of data. As stated, I too have a scientific background, but I've been part of this community for long enough that I knew this was going to come across as a bit rough, so had to be sure to give credit where credit was due: Buschur Racing. Furthermore, MAP has proven themselves to me as well and the test was done at their facility. An individual performing this test is nearly impossible, and we all know it.

More context: this is a single set of data. It was presented as best we could. Dynojets and others are great tuning tools, but they're don't have a ton of scientific features that would be awesome: power averaging. Average 5 runs together and plot versus the average of another 5 runs. All things equal, this would really show the trend in power gains. Here's the simple fact: I posted the hypothesis I arrived at after performing the test myself. I then encouraged others to repeat the test and post their own hypotheses, simple as that.

I feel like I made all of these points in the original thread, and frankly they're all kind of beside the point. I think it would be awesome if that thread (and others) were re-opened, possibly archived, and we can all move on. Delete all of the BS posts in it, deal with the backlashing. If nothing else, keep the data available to the public. Let people make their own interpretations.

I'm not sure what else to say, frankly I'm just tired of going and looking for certain threads to answer someone else's question and just coming up with empty results. This is a big site, there have been some growing pains, but I think some lessons need to be learned by both the moderating team as well as the members. As you can see there are plenty of 'dirt kickers' jumping in this thread too, I think its important to look past the flying dirt.

 

At any given time there is at least 1 Moderator online, I make the schedules so I know this to be true. You can look at the bottom of the forum page to see who is online. At any point you could have sent a PM to the Moderator who was covering the forums to express your views, yet you have not done that. It is difficult to address member problems if they do not let us know that a problem exists. I find it curious that you had such a burning issue, yet it's been over a month since the thread was removed and your way to question it was not to talk to a Staff member in all that time, but post a thread here. Be that as it may, I remain available via PM to discuss any specific issue you may have with the site, the moderation, or the weather here in the Northeast.

J.D. - Admin

 

Honestly this thread vs pm'ing the 'on call' mod vs pm'ing you are just a matter of symantics. I thought this particular forum was for issues like this, and this I posted this thread. Please don't take offense that I didn't use PM's, I didn't mean anything more or less by the communication method chosen.

 

It's not semantics at all, I was pointing out that there are resources out there that could have helped you before you got to this 'exasperating' point. So, how can we resolve your issue?

 

Undelete (and lock if you must) the thread in post #1, and figure out how to deal with situations like this better in the future. Learn to look past the dust kickers, close threads down for a while, let people cool off, then re-open them?

You might consider getting buschur racing back on here, david is a controversial but valuable member of this community.

 

I can look into that, it seems a reasonable observation.

Mr. Buschur's ban is coming to an end very shortly, based on his public statements about the issue. He is certainly welcome to return if that is his wish.

 

so good points all around. nice to see a calm discussion instead of the usual bickering back and forth. subscribed

 

I dealt with the thread starter. They started it, therefore it was MAP I talked to. MAP should have shared what we talked about to you then. They apparently choose to not pursue the thread any longer.

 

Isn't going to be better if mods throw warning post before it gets close/lock?

 

Where there is power there is abuse. This my friends is a known fact. I posted a thread in this section with a poll about 1 month ago. It asked the simple questions if we as a community felt that this forum was:

1. Under-moderated! The mods do a great job keeping order.
2. Over-moderated! Let the people speak their minds.

So what happens in the first 5 minutes of posting it? One of the Mods or someone with access to the editing portions of the forum STACKED the poll with 100 votes for option #1.

All I wanted to do was see how the people felt and the Mods could try and make the people, the enthusiast network happier with their wielding of the gavel.

This is a true story

 

Again, it was pretty obvious we had collaborated on he project. I kind of assumed the thread got buried and people had finally gotten their peace out in their passionate posts and then we could let it fly away to be linked to or bumped in a year or three.

This is way over-generalized.

No offense, but you're not helping. People like to act like the mods here are like corrupt law enforcement or a secret government agency...no, they're regular people. It's important that they and everyone else remembers that.

 

Yes regular people with the access to change/edit what the members read. Thats the power I metaphorically spoke of. You dont think given the power to put the smack down doesnt get abused? Thats why law enforcement has Internal Affairs.
You are right though, this isnt a secret government agency, its a public forum. Lets treat it like one.

 

I can 100% guarantee you that a mod didn't edit your poll. You are being ridiculous.

 

Scheides,

Ultimately the OP of the thread has say in what happens to it if an issue should arise. That is just how it works. We tend to give the OP any decision rights to a thread they created.