So, I give my blood, sweat, and tears to this community only to get what I feel is a stab in the back by threads with valuable information I've gathered and posted getting deleted, rather than getting moderated or simply locked by what I assume is the moderating team.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...s-try-2-a.html

Here we have a really simple test demonstrating how one (paying) vendor's product is outdone by another (paying) vendor's product. It's slightly more expensive, so the old rule of 'you get what you pay for' applies perfectly. Both vendors were equally supported in the testing and in the discussion that followed. Things got heated, but nothing a simple thread lock or maybe some post deletion can't take care of, right?

Wrong, its gone! Aren't you guys car guys? Wanna make your cars faster? This is an evo forum, we like to make things faster/better/smoother/cooler. Not to get too deep, but I feel as though something has gone wrong with those that run this board lately. Have you lost your way? Forgot what it means to have fun with a fast car? Are you short-handed and need help?

Thanks for reading.

 

There sure does seem to be allot of complaints recently.

 

The moderating team on this board is in need of a serious revamp as called for by many other members and numerous vendors. The moderators have lost sight of what a car forum is all about, heck, many of them don't even own Lancers/Evolutions any more yet here they are still controlling what the Mitsu-enthusiasts are allowed to see. Many people come on this site to research factual information to become better informed when making a decision and spending thousands of dollars on mods, yet the moderators seem to do a terrific job of covering that useful knowledge up.

 

I look in this feedback and suggestion forum and there are many locked threads, I can only imagine how many are deleted out-right. You give people a place to ask questions and give feedback, but if what they say doesn't agree with the moderators opinions then it is locked? This thread should be viewed as an invitation to the moderators to see how the members really feel. Leave it open to see what people say and think of this topic and if needed maybe its time to revise your moderation tactics.

 

I agree with the above and add that I recently did research into the legal code in my jurisdiction on a particular issue, posted that in reply to another members question, and added that I am a lawyer but not giving legal advice and to become familiar with the code in the region in which you drive. I felt this was an informed response and avoided the conjecture that is so common here and on other forums. The entire thread was deleted without reason. Seem to circumvent the point of the site.

 

The post and thread you are talking about was closed at the request of the original poster. When someone starts a thread, we usually respect their request to have it closed/moved/moderated.. There was nothing arbitrary about it at all.

 

Have you had this discussion with a Staff member via PM?

 

I'm pretty sure he wants it public, because without a doubt there are others that are curious too, including myself...

 

Threads in the feedback section are locked once the issue has been addressed/resolved. I don't recall a thread from this section ever being removed.

 

That thread referenced was poorly executed. The Staff all read it, talked about it, and we talked to the original poster about it.

Secondly, this is NOT solely an Evo site. Its a Mitsubishi Enthusiast site.

 

We are all car guys of varying flavors. Some of us are die-hard Mitsubishi owners, some of us love cars in general. None of us are donating our time for any purpose other than caring about this community. I have a background in engineering/testing (more on that below), too. After looking through that thread:

The first post by MAP was posted in a childish way. Basically a neener towards Buschur's comparable product, on top of an eff you towards the staff. In other words, the thread was doomed from post one. The thread was left alone for several days and most of the 300+ posts are off topic, baseless opinions, people with no experience or background pulling info from their posterior, the usual bandwagoning/nutswinging, and a bit of back and forth flaming. There are maybe a dozen good posts in that thread. Which is where the conundrum is for us (moderators): do we let the thread go, turning into an even bigger pissing match; close it and deal with a dozen irrational people complaining they didn't get the last word (and posting followup threads); remove the garbage posts and get fleeced for censoring people; or trash the whole thing and get fleeced for not being car people? Considering it took the better part of 2 hours to read the thread, and knowing how these threads progress after being on EvoM for 7 years, I can't say I blame the moderator(s) who chose to send it packing.

As a tip on how to improve it, I would suggest a few things. First, post your results, and leave the editorializing about the merits of other company's products and statements out. In other words, post the test setup, test procedure, test variables (same car, same day, same dyno, so this is limited to the manifolds - a best case scenario in this world), and all the test results. MAP admitted as much to running each test case multiple times but posting a single "typical result". If you were reporting these results to me, and I had to make an A/B decision based on a "typical" result, I would tell you to stop wasting my time and fix the report. Post all the dyno numbers, knock counts, etc and end it there. Leave the "Buschur is WRONG and this PROVES IT! " crap out of it. Buschur is not wrong, and neither is MAP. Porting offers a small benefit at some marginal cost, and your data proved that.

Not really. The people that can't follow rules have always complained, often loudly and angrily.

Of the hundreds of moderating actions done daily on this site, the vast majority are moving and sorting things to make the information easier to find (i.e. moving threads about the 4B11 out of the Evo8/9 show & shine section). When we step into a thread like the one the OP linked, we try to preserve the useful knowledge and weed out the garbage. Having spent more hours than I care to count cleaning up threads just to salvage a few good posts, I assure you it is not pleasant. When the garbage ratio is exceptionally high, we usually dump the whole thing. This is a very difficult judgment call and sometimes good data gets lost in the shuffle, but we do try to preserve it. But there has never been an instance where someone posted testing data and the staff actively sought to conceal it.

And for what it's worth, a lot of the things people consider to be data are really opinions. The above thread was actually a good example. There were a handful of facts presented, and a bunch of opinions about products, people, biases, etc. Preserving the data sans the rest would require us to edit most of the posts - and surely get accused of censorship and all the like, either way.

Our members are free to disagree with moderators, explain why they think we're wrong, etc. That freedom ends when the broad generalizations and derogatory comments start.

I have. Much like our policy in general, the threads that are about a specific issue usually stay here, threads where members who can't follow our rules tell us how we should run the show usually don't.

Hope this all helps.

 

Are you sure? This is just from today,

I have to to think it is geared very much towards EVO specific and banning only.

Oh well, if Mark was still alive and running the show I am 100% confident this would be a better community.

 

Yes. Look at the top left of the page header right under Evolutionm.net..

 

Way to dodge the rest of his questions/statement...

 

I didn't know that, so thanks for clarifying.