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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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The BCs are actually a MUCH better choice compared to these as TurboTime said.

Actually, they had a pretty good track record for the Subbie and Nissan guys.

-Their spring rates are very constant, as they are dynoed and matched at the factory
-Their dampening adjustment is also very linear, and have little cross effects, proven by many third party shock dynos
-1year warranty, $95 per corner for replacement after that one year
-Can be custom valved from the factory
-Can have custom spring setups
-Height adjustable without effecting spring rates
-Pillow ball camber plates that are made by white-line

Oh, and some of the top cars on the redline TA series are running on BCs too.

But be sure to get rear extenders if you go BC.

But in the end... If you want Teins, get Monoflex, nothing less.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Oh, and if u guys want a contact for to get BCs for cheap, let me know...
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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wow pm me details please... as I said I contacted a few vendors here and got nowhere trying to work out a deal on the bc's which is one of the reasons were looking into the Teins. (better relations with dealer/vendor)

Even if there isn't enough interest in the club for them I still wouldn't mind looking into it for myself.

Like I said, for me, money wise I think there the best option unless your looking to spend 2g's or more on suspension.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by evo_soul
thats interesting, because when we attempted to organize the BC racing package which is adjustable, everyone aborted and said no, we want the Tein ones, rather those. So the BC Racing one was aborted. Both TurboTime and I both talked in depth about this.
We want JDM bling, yo!

what did you really expect from a relatively uneducated group tho
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by laksman91
no SSs being made for this car...yet (i hope)
You dont want SSs anyways, come on laksman... do i have to talk you out of it?
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by turbotime
Like I said, for me, money wise I think there the best option unless your looking to spend 2g's or more on suspension.
Agreed. The BC-BRs are hard to beat for the sub 1000 range, Wouldn't personally go inverted myself tho.

The BC-ERs are a very competitive setup that comes in just under that 2000 mark, both price wise and performance wise.

The 2000+ range is dominated by the MonoFlex, V3ClubSports, and AST Custom packages, both of the latter requiring a shop / race team to put together a good package but over all, i would say the latter two are the best options for drivers looking for performance both on, and off the road.

And lastly, the all out range, it's a close call between Ohlins DFVs and Tein SRCs, both sitting on top of the hill in the sub3500 range.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 01:20 AM
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A Quality Shock/Spring combo with a good alignment would be money better spent then on a set of generic style coilovers. For 95% of the people who want to lower there car coilovers are useless and more of a paint than anything. The remaining 5% are the ones who will spend the money on KW or AST setups.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Touge Tuning
A Quality Shock/Spring combo with a good alignment would be money better spent then on a set of generic style coilovers. For 95% of the people who want to lower there car coilovers are useless and more of a paint than anything. The remaining 5% are the ones who will spend the money on KW or AST setups.
Good point Chris, but with a good Shock/Spring combo costing up to $800, it would be worth it for some to go with coil overs, therefore they can corner balance, have a more custom setup (spring rates and valving) and change the ride height as they wish for the changing seasons.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WoW
what did you really expect from a relatively uneducated group tho
If I don't know about something I ask, I don't think there is a need to put people down for that.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrolikz
If I don't know about something I ask, I don't think there is a need to put people down for that.
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I thought and always did think this was a place for help. We're not here to troll and put people down.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WoW
Good point Chris, but with a good Shock/Spring combo costing up to $800, it would be worth it for some to go with coil overs, therefore they can corner balance, have a more custom setup (spring rates and valving) and change the ride height as they wish for the changing seasons.
The problem is that in the price range your referring the dampers are poor quality and the springs are not that great. If you took them and added a set of swift coilovers springs and had them properly valves for the springs that would be reasonable but for ride quality and handling I still suggest a spring/shock unless your getting into a set of KW or similar coilovers which is a different price range altogether.

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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrolikz
If I don't know about something I ask, I don't think there is a need to put people down for that.
No, no, that came out the wrong way.

I have no problems with asking questions, But when those who are replying have no idea about what they're talking about...
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Touge Tuning
The problem is that in the price range your referring the dampers are poo quality and the springs are not that great. If you took them and added a set of swift coilovers springs and had them properly valves for the springs that would be reasonable but for ride quality and handling I still suggest a spring/shock unless your getting into a set of KW or similar coilovers which is a different price range altogether.
Chris, you can get them custom valved from the factory for no extra charge. You can also get specific spring rates for each corner.

Also, the springs are of pretty good quality, not sure if you've ever seen / been on a set..

For the price range, i'd still suggest a set of coilovers over spring/shocks anyday.

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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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Chris, you can get them custom valved from the factory for no extra charge. You can also get specific spring rates for each corner.

Also, the springs are of pretty good quality, not sure if you've ever seen / been on a set..

For the price range, i'd still suggest a set of coilovers over spring/shocks anyday.
All of them use inferior internals and the springs are generic ones aswell. They may all look similar but springs can be of very different quality etc.

Under $1000-1500 I would stick with shocks/springs of good quality, Koni Yellow or FSD, KYB AGX, Tokico D-Spec, Bilstein HD's and a set of RCE, Swift, Eibach Pro-Kit Springs is going to be better for what the end user needs. Coilovers will be harsh, noisey and just aren't designed to be run through the winter in this range...heck I wouldn't even recommend running KW V3's in the winter.
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Old Dec 18, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Touge Tuning
All of them use inferior internals and the springs are generic ones aswell. They may all look similar but springs can be of very different quality etc.

Under $1000-1500 I would stick with shocks/springs of good quality, Koni Yellow or FSD, KYB AGX, Tokico D-Spec, Bilstein HD's and a set of RCE, Swift, Eibach Pro-Kit Springs is going to be better for what the end user needs. Coilovers will be harsh, noisey and just aren't designed to be run through the winter in this range...heck I wouldn't even recommend running KW V3's in the winter.
while you bring up some good points the problem lies in the fact there isn't a manufacture which you listed that makes an aftermarket shock for the 08+ lancer.
Were stuck with putting lowering springs on the oem shock bodies which is no good.
This is why I would go with the BC's any day over a set of custom swift springs on my oem shocks.

You have to keep in mind majority of the lancer guys wouldn't drop the money for a custom set of JIC's KW v3's or JRZ's ect.. if they were even made for our cars, it just doesn't make sense.

The details you are comparing on the BC's are indeed true but again your stacking them against the higher end of the coilover spectrum they will obviously be inferior but for what 95% of the guys in the club would use them for I could bet they would suit them just fine.
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