Wilson Manifolds Billet Evolution Intake Manifold
Kracka, TheDream. Don't think I don't understand some racers wanting to see comparisons. I, myself, would love to see a comparison. It would prove what I already know. This is billet not sheetmetal. It was designed by a company that makes it's living on designing and building intake systems. I would love to see 'the competitions' manifold get compared. The problem is as soon as any BRAND X manifold is beaten, the 'other side' will call the tests biased. Hell, even AMS and Buschur get called out, non-stop, for biased tests. In the end, the best test is by the few who step up to the plate and share their own results. I wouldn't hold my breath for any proprietary data, or internal pictures to be released. The people who take a chance, purchase the manifold and reveal the results will begin the testing process. There are enough pre-orders to indicate that some are willing to bet on the good Wilson Manifolds name and their experience. I'm lucky, I know it, and soon I'll have some results on OUR car, which the manifold was built for. As time has passed, these Evo's continue to make more and more power, which is generally, higher RPMS. With those rpms, more of those cars will fall into the same range the several of us operate in already. Is this manifold for the weekend racer making 400-450 whp. Probably not. For those in the 550 and up range, I would say yes. I don't disagree that some would like to see comparisons, data, tests etc. I also know that some evaluate the Manufacturer and their history to take the plunge and order it. It's always been like that for anything sold. If it's bread, cams or tires. Remember the Hoosier Tires. The data wasn't released by them, it was tested and released (and still being released) by those of us willing to bet on the company BEFORE the tires were even tested. Sometimes, not all of the time, but sometimes someone HAS to take the plunge based on known facts. That's all I'm saying. Wilson Manifolds took the plunge for our car and decided AFTERWARDS to make it available to others. Not a product that was scheduled for production for the masses so they could sell a ton of them then out-a-here. WE, IndyEvo and I, asked if we could bring it to the few who might want one. Based on PM and Email response, others were wanting it too.
Current piping on anything probably isn't going to work. Our intercooler is mounted slightly different than any other, so we're making our own, but a new pipe probably will be necessary to the TB. Not much of a change, but the TB will have a slight angle forward vs the 'parallel to firewall' of the stocker.
Kracka, TheDream. Don't think I don't understand some racers wanting to see comparisons. I, myself, would love to see a comparison. It would prove what I already know. This is billet not sheetmetal. It was designed by a company that makes it's living on designing and building intake systems. I would love to see 'the competitions' manifold get compared. The problem is as soon as any BRAND X manifold is beaten, the 'other side' will call the tests biased. Hell, even AMS and Buschur get called out, non-stop, for biased tests. In the end, the best test is by the few who step up to the plate and share their own results. I wouldn't hold my breath for any proprietary data, or internal pictures to be released. The people who take a chance, purchase the manifold and reveal the results will begin the testing process. There are enough pre-orders to indicate that some are willing to bet on the good Wilson Manifolds name and their experience. I'm lucky, I know it, and soon I'll have some results on OUR car, which the manifold was built for. As time has passed, these Evo's continue to make more and more power, which is generally, higher RPMS. With those rpms, more of those cars will fall into the same range the several of us operate in already. Is this manifold for the weekend racer making 400-450 whp. Probably not. For those in the 550 and up range, I would say yes. I don't disagree that some would like to see comparisons, data, tests etc. I also know that some evaluate the Manufacturer and their history to take the plunge and order it. It's always been like that for anything sold. If it's bread, cams or tires. Remember the Hoosier Tires. The data wasn't released by them, it was tested and released (and still being released) by those of us willing to bet on the company BEFORE the tires were even tested. Sometimes, not all of the time, but sometimes someone HAS to take the plunge based on known facts. That's all I'm saying. Wilson Manifolds took the plunge for our car and decided AFTERWARDS to make it available to others. Not a product that was scheduled for production for the masses so they could sell a ton of them then out-a-here. WE, IndyEvo and I, asked if we could bring it to the few who might want one. Based on PM and Email response, others were wanting it too.
that is a big $$$$ tag for a regular person to step up to the plate and test this manifold out for him self, like you say. I understand everything you are saying about wilson and their work, but it sounds like you are trying to convince people that this product does not need to be tested, and we should take your word on it and buy it.
My self would love to see this manifold tested, hoping it makes crazy power due to big $$$$.
Tom your post on Page 4 was all directed right at me, haha. I was making a joke about the beers and poles. I wasn't getting nasty about any of it. I was simply trying to say that my dyno is here if YOU want to test the intake against the W2.3 or any others. I do not have to be involved, I was simply offering the dyno to you. MOST people are going to want test results, as I think you can see from how this thread is going. I am simply offering the dyno and a private area to do whatever you need to do.
From your last few posts it sounds like the intake is geared to make power up top and we all know that below 5500 rpm nothing to date has beat just a stock intake with mild port work. Looking at the design I'd say you are right on the money, high rpm use.
As a refresher to our bet, the bet was our new intake manifold would make more power on average from 3,000-9,000 rpm than whatever you ended up with. I'm still up for the bet and will pay in $1's, 5's or anything else you want if I lose! The dyno awaits your arrival
Seriously, it's here if you want it. It's a lot easier to sell a part with a dyno sheet attached.
As for the 735 whp you made, nothing has beat that number in 3rd gear on a T3. As you know though the variables to making power are much more than an intake manifold. Tires/wheels/rotors/exhaust/cam size etc., for example when comparing the next few closest cars.
We are not in any disagreement, I would bet money the new billet intake makes power where it is suppose to! No doubt Wilson can build an intake manifold, no disputing of that one!
From your last few posts it sounds like the intake is geared to make power up top and we all know that below 5500 rpm nothing to date has beat just a stock intake with mild port work. Looking at the design I'd say you are right on the money, high rpm use.
As a refresher to our bet, the bet was our new intake manifold would make more power on average from 3,000-9,000 rpm than whatever you ended up with. I'm still up for the bet and will pay in $1's, 5's or anything else you want if I lose! The dyno awaits your arrival
Seriously, it's here if you want it. It's a lot easier to sell a part with a dyno sheet attached.
As for the 735 whp you made, nothing has beat that number in 3rd gear on a T3. As you know though the variables to making power are much more than an intake manifold. Tires/wheels/rotors/exhaust/cam size etc., for example when comparing the next few closest cars.
We are not in any disagreement, I would bet money the new billet intake makes power where it is suppose to! No doubt Wilson can build an intake manifold, no disputing of that one!
One last thing. If you need i/c pipes made for production for this intake I'd be glad to build them for you guys, if you need them done.
Also, if ANYTHING I have said is out of line just shoot me a PM and I'll remove it. Not trying to rock the boat.
Also, if ANYTHING I have said is out of line just shoot me a PM and I'll remove it. Not trying to rock the boat.
Tom your post on Page 4 was all directed right at me, haha. I was making a joke about the beers and poles. I wasn't getting nasty about any of it. I was simply trying to say that my dyno is here if YOU want to test the intake against the W2.3 or any others. I do not have to be involved, I was simply offering the dyno to you. MOST people are going to want test results, as I think you can see from how this thread is going. I am simply offering the dyno and a private area to do whatever you need to do.
From your last few posts it sounds like the intake is geared to make power up top and we all know that below 5500 rpm nothing to date has beat just a stock intake with mild port work. Looking at the design I'd say you are right on the money, high rpm use.
As a refresher to our bet, the bet was our new intake manifold would make more power on average from 3,000-9,000 rpm than whatever you ended up with. I'm still up for the bet and will pay in $1's, 5's or anything else you want if I lose! The dyno awaits your arrival
Seriously, it's here if you want it. It's a lot easier to sell a part with a dyno sheet attached.
As for the 735 whp you made, nothing has beat that number in 3rd gear on a T3. As you know though the variables to making power are much more than an intake manifold. Tires/wheels/rotors/exhaust/cam size etc., for example when comparing the next few closest cars.
We are not in any disagreement, I would bet money the new billet intake makes power where it is suppose to! No doubt Wilson can build an intake manifold, no disputing of that one!
From your last few posts it sounds like the intake is geared to make power up top and we all know that below 5500 rpm nothing to date has beat just a stock intake with mild port work. Looking at the design I'd say you are right on the money, high rpm use.
As a refresher to our bet, the bet was our new intake manifold would make more power on average from 3,000-9,000 rpm than whatever you ended up with. I'm still up for the bet and will pay in $1's, 5's or anything else you want if I lose! The dyno awaits your arrival
Seriously, it's here if you want it. It's a lot easier to sell a part with a dyno sheet attached.
As for the 735 whp you made, nothing has beat that number in 3rd gear on a T3. As you know though the variables to making power are much more than an intake manifold. Tires/wheels/rotors/exhaust/cam size etc., for example when comparing the next few closest cars.
We are not in any disagreement, I would bet money the new billet intake makes power where it is suppose to! No doubt Wilson can build an intake manifold, no disputing of that one!
Maybe you forgot, but we made 800+ on your dyno w/ a T3 PTE Unit..
If that was 3rd gear, Mike, that's incredible. On DB's dyno, 3rd and 4th at the time we ran was fairly significant. Either way, not THAT much different. You def hold the power crown on the T3.
David, your comments are dead on and in-line. No issues what so ever. The only issue is if we need more 1's or 5's.
David, your comments are dead on and in-line. No issues what so ever. The only issue is if we need more 1's or 5's.
If that was 3rd gear, Mike, that's incredible. On DB's dyno, 3rd and 4th at the time we ran was fairly significant. Either way, not THAT much different. You def hold the power crown on the T3.
David, your comments are dead on and in-line. No issues what so ever. The only issue is if we need more 1's or 5's.
David, your comments are dead on and in-line. No issues what so ever. The only issue is if we need more 1's or 5's.
Mike
Yes, Tom, 3rd gear, it was quite impressive to be honest. After Mike made his post I went to the dyno and pulled your best run, my best run and his best run up on the screen. For a car that needs to see 7000-9500 rpm Mike has the combination, he SMOKED both of us. Our two charts are similar, I have some additional low/mid over your car and then yours makes more power up top over mine (for many various reasons, as you know) but Mike's is just rediculously high over both our charts.
Hey Mike, can you send Crispeed back up here with a list and his laptop?
Hey Mike, can you send Crispeed back up here with a list and his laptop?