Is a pattern starting here ??
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Mark, the truth does not favor your version of the events. IE Evo and I have been involved in this engine failure drama from the beginning. I've talked to you and your bro about it on cell phones. I know this story and so does several other non-Vishnu employess. Vishnu bent over backwards to get you back on the road for a discount even though they had no obligation to do so. You spun a rod bearing on a weak platform (US STI 2.5) to begin with. Thank God I got an Evo. That is not a tuning related failure and your post above reminds me of blackmail, but you have no case. Your desire to make max power at all costs did you in. Yer' just trying to do internet damage. It isn't right.
Shiv is a pretty good EVO tuner, but the STI seems to have him perplexed a bit.
To say that this failure is NOT tuning related is BS.
Several STIs (not tuned by Shiv) have made more power and actually not blown up for a while.
As Shiv mentioned before that critical tune, that's all the FP green will do. We can only go for more torque.
More torque is perhaps what has caused the two engine failures?
Last edited by evotomig; Dec 14, 2004 at 11:47 PM.
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Mark-- You lied because I asked you to??? You've got to be kidding me 
You're the one who asked me what you should write on the internet regarding your engine failure. I said write whatever you want. In case you don't remember, this was on that night you and your brother came over to the shop to get his boost line fixed and to discuss the situation with your motor.
As for my tuning being the cause of your failure... I agree it was. But I did what you asked me to. Despite my advice otherwise. So take your medicine like a man and learn from it. Next time you want to play with the big boys, try to be one and not cry when things don't go your way.... sheesh.
And Tom-- Perhaps the only thing you've ever said that has ever made any sense was blaming me for listening to your brother and trusting his judgement. And I agree with you. But the rest of what you say is just misinformed to put it politely.
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shiv
You're the one who asked me what you should write on the internet regarding your engine failure. I said write whatever you want. In case you don't remember, this was on that night you and your brother came over to the shop to get his boost line fixed and to discuss the situation with your motor. As for my tuning being the cause of your failure... I agree it was. But I did what you asked me to. Despite my advice otherwise. So take your medicine like a man and learn from it. Next time you want to play with the big boys, try to be one and not cry when things don't go your way.... sheesh.
And Tom-- Perhaps the only thing you've ever said that has ever made any sense was blaming me for listening to your brother and trusting his judgement. And I agree with you. But the rest of what you say is just misinformed to put it politely.
regards,
shiv
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Turned my back on you? You refused to listen to my warning about the tune that you demanded just so you could keep up with your brother. I even had you sign the liability waiver in front of several people (all of which who are on this forum) who all heard you to told me to push it all the way to the limit. Come on Mark, take a little responsibility for your bravado. I told you that the motor was going to fail. You said "so what... if it does, i'll build a new one." Little did I know that you were going to try to extort us for a new Axis $6000 Stage IV race motor if and when it failed. We weren't suckered into your plans then and I couldn't care less about your situation now. All that's left for you to do is create drama where there should be none. Is this now why you decided not to meet with us in order to document all the facts in front of a third party?
Shiv
Shiv
" Don't worry we'll take care of it...make sure u tell everybody its the transmission"...How do u explain that??
Whats terms where used before the dyno session that led up to the motor blowing... " STI SHOP CAR" "JOINT VENTURE"
And now u guys can't seem to remember...funny
Don't Spin stuff here Shiv...i know that u type well, but many of us have come to know u better then that.
I wanted to install a stage 4 motor if i was gonna go with a gt30 turbo...notice how all that changed when u called me up and hit me with a $6000 bill...and made a big deal in given me $500-600 off the normal cost of a motor install...plus that $1200 of dyno time
I know u can't careless...thats fine.
I would hope a tuner would.
Last edited by MBGSTI; Dec 15, 2004 at 12:02 AM.
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
As for my tuning being the cause of your failure... I agree it was. But I did what you asked me to. Despite my advice otherwise. So take your medicine like a man and learn from it. Next time you want to play with the big boys, try to be one and not cry when things don't go your way.... sheesh.
I have no more time for this...i will never be able to out type u SHIV..so i will just state the facts and people can make what they want form that.
Please don't start name calling..
After one of ur last phone calls...when u started off " Fuc**** this" " Fuc**** that" i decided i no longer what to deal with U.
I'll let the third party be the public.
Good night
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Originally Posted by MBGSTI
To quote u SHIZ
" Don't worry we'll take care of it...make sure u tell everybody its the transmission"...How do u explain that??
Whats terms where used before the dyno session that led up to the motor blowing... " STI SHOP CAR" "JOINT VENTURE"
And now u guys can't seem to remember...funny
Don't Spin stuff here Shiv...i know that u type well, but many of us have come to know u better then that.
I wanted to install a stage 4 motor if i was gonna go with a gt30 turbo...notice how all that changed when u called me up and hit me with a $6000 bill...and made a big deal in given me $500-600 off the normal cost of a motor install...plus that $1200 of dyno time
I know u can't careless...thats fine.
I would hope a tuner would.
I
" Don't worry we'll take care of it...make sure u tell everybody its the transmission"...How do u explain that??
Whats terms where used before the dyno session that led up to the motor blowing... " STI SHOP CAR" "JOINT VENTURE"
And now u guys can't seem to remember...funny
Don't Spin stuff here Shiv...i know that u type well, but many of us have come to know u better then that.
I wanted to install a stage 4 motor if i was gonna go with a gt30 turbo...notice how all that changed when u called me up and hit me with a $6000 bill...and made a big deal in given me $500-600 off the normal cost of a motor install...plus that $1200 of dyno time
I know u can't careless...thats fine.
I would hope a tuner would.
I
There must be a correlation between being able to put together a coherent thought and a cogent sentence. Oh well.. take care Mark.
Shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Dec 15, 2004 at 01:32 AM.
Mark, I will stay out of the whole deal, but i just want to say one thing.
It really hurts to see you and Tom flat out lie about a situation, after I personally bent over backwards to help both of you out. Remember the fact that i stayed late at the shop to diagnose and fix a problem on your brothers car that YOU GUYS caused! Remember that I took extra care to make sure that race gas was set aside for you. So does it make me a little angry to see you flat out lying about a situation, in hopes of tarnishing a company name that I am associated with? Damn straight it does. I put in 12 hour days trying to make sure that each customer is happy, and trust me you and tom were included in those 12 hours more then once. But i guess what they say is true.....
"No good deed goes unpunished."
It really hurts to see you and Tom flat out lie about a situation, after I personally bent over backwards to help both of you out. Remember the fact that i stayed late at the shop to diagnose and fix a problem on your brothers car that YOU GUYS caused! Remember that I took extra care to make sure that race gas was set aside for you. So does it make me a little angry to see you flat out lying about a situation, in hopes of tarnishing a company name that I am associated with? Damn straight it does. I put in 12 hour days trying to make sure that each customer is happy, and trust me you and tom were included in those 12 hours more then once. But i guess what they say is true.....
"No good deed goes unpunished."
Originally Posted by evotomig
Is 370whp and 395lbs. of torque a good example of that; on a STI? 
Sti's are diffrent then EVOs. Evo should make less TQ then HP.
STI's are 2.5L with smaller turbos then the EVO also STI run up to 15-16 degrees of advance a peak cyl pressure or TQ. Were EVO can only run 6-8 degrees. To completely diffrent monsters. EVOs love boost, STI's like Timing.
Thanks
Eric
Originally Posted by David@Vishnu
Really weres the other one? Oh the one that is supposedly 2 quarts low on oil though not a drop in the intercooler, splashback and leak down and compresses perfect? Yea Marcus is fine and so is his car, boy yall sure trying to get things all stirred up.
Lets let everyone decide, with a spun bearing how many people think that is a bad tune? Now even further to take tuner judgement away what if the customers want/need was all out power and the request to make 50 more HP than the package stage 2s.
Thats the problem with big turbos its the judgement call of the tuner when to stop were he feels is safe- if thats taken away then I dont know what to say
Lets let everyone decide, with a spun bearing how many people think that is a bad tune? Now even further to take tuner judgement away what if the customers want/need was all out power and the request to make 50 more HP than the package stage 2s.
Thats the problem with big turbos its the judgement call of the tuner when to stop were he feels is safe- if thats taken away then I dont know what to say
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
To answer your question - yes there is a pattern
I have over 1,000 flashed evos out there now - not including the Buschur Flashes (which Dave Buschur tunes) - and so far there are zero repoted engine failures due to my tuning
We did have one guy who blew a head gasket with stock head studs and 350 tq on a mustand dyno
This new case invloves a piston which split in two while the customer was doing back to back drag racing and running too high a boost on pump gas
Out first flash was 15 months ago and the highest mileage is 65,000 miles
I think the pattern I see is one of a product which has a very good reliability record
Also, to note that Vishnu products also seem to enjoy an excelent reliability record which obviously supports my view that you can modify an evo and have good reliability
Kind of disturbing to see a post like this on another vendor's forum
I have over 1,000 flashed evos out there now - not including the Buschur Flashes (which Dave Buschur tunes) - and so far there are zero repoted engine failures due to my tuning
We did have one guy who blew a head gasket with stock head studs and 350 tq on a mustand dyno
This new case invloves a piston which split in two while the customer was doing back to back drag racing and running too high a boost on pump gas
Out first flash was 15 months ago and the highest mileage is 65,000 miles
I think the pattern I see is one of a product which has a very good reliability record
Also, to note that Vishnu products also seem to enjoy an excelent reliability record which obviously supports my view that you can modify an evo and have good reliability
Kind of disturbing to see a post like this on another vendor's forum
Originally Posted by absinthe
Eric I do see your point anything is capable even with full factory knock protection however, it becomes much less likely that higher cylnder temps and detonation from a lean mixture or timing advance will be the root cause of an engine failure, especially if the factory ecu/Exede is operating correctly and pulling timing or adding feul to combat knoc/lean condition.
Incedentally as I am looking at an exede because of dual map and timing adjustment capabilities (but am not in Nor Cal) can you give me an idea of knock attenuation or correct ability of the unit. Smog had mentioned that it has a memory function that when a knock prone situation occurs the Exede will adjust paramenters before it senses knock? i suppose the quesion is is this an automatic/learned function or are the parameters set by the user?
Incedentally as I am looking at an exede because of dual map and timing adjustment capabilities (but am not in Nor Cal) can you give me an idea of knock attenuation or correct ability of the unit. Smog had mentioned that it has a memory function that when a knock prone situation occurs the Exede will adjust paramenters before it senses knock? i suppose the quesion is is this an automatic/learned function or are the parameters set by the user?
Eric
Originally Posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Al even stock cars break. Were talking really about faluires and why. Not who's fault it is.