Attn: Shiv, David and Gurus
Originally Posted by evo81
we won't beat you up to bad 
.where ready for you vishnu guys.it's all in good fun.as you can see in my sig,i stallow3n IE evo 
.where ready for you vishnu guys.it's all in good fun.as you can see in my sig,i stallow3n IE evo 
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
First, keep in mind that Azar spent 1/2 the money for his turbo upgrade setup than IE. But, with that said, you guys are comparing the wrong cars. Yes, I make about the same power as Azar and have a better "area under the curve." But here is IE's dyno sheet with the exact same SAE correction factor and smoothing:
Look at Azar vs. IE:
RPM...............IE whp/ftlbs ............Azar whp/ftlbs
4000...............175/230....................180/235
4500.............. 290/340....................300/350
5000.............. 380/400....................340/355
5500...............395/375....................320/300
6000...............425/375....................350/305
6500...............445/360....................350/280
What we can see is that IE's Stage 3 has massively more top end power and has pretty much the same spoolup as the 3071. In fact, IE's run wasn't commenced until 3200 rpms, giving it less time to spool for the earliest part of the run. Had that run been started at 2200 rpms like Azar's, I'd bet that IE would have had higher numbers at 4000 and 4500.
Look at Azar vs. IE:
RPM...............IE whp/ftlbs ............Azar whp/ftlbs
4000...............175/230....................180/235
4500.............. 290/340....................300/350
5000.............. 380/400....................340/355
5500...............395/375....................320/300
6000...............425/375....................350/305
6500...............445/360....................350/280
What we can see is that IE's Stage 3 has massively more top end power and has pretty much the same spoolup as the 3071. In fact, IE's run wasn't commenced until 3200 rpms, giving it less time to spool for the earliest part of the run. Had that run been started at 2200 rpms like Azar's, I'd bet that IE would have had higher numbers at 4000 and 4500.
Smogi, I know you personally and I know that you are better than that. You are holding hands with Alex Alex (so cute). Few points I have for you.
1- How can you compare IE evo to mine?? How can you compare a car that has more than $8K worth of parts to a car with 3.5K in mods??
2- How can you compare no cams no engine mods to a car with mods and cams??
3- How can you compare a 91 map or even 98 map to C16???
4- How can you compare 3037 to 3071 which both have completely different approaches??
With that said I believe you understand what I am saying. I have never said or compared my EVO to IE because the compression is way off. There is nothing in common between the 2 cars.
After all I thought that you are the guy who compare apples to apples not ALEX to ALEXIA.
Have fun guys and enjoy your cars (to each his own)
Originally Posted by Az3ar
1. How can you compare IE evo to mine?? How can you compare a car that has more than $8K worth of parts to a car with 3.5K in mods??
2- How can you compare no cams no engine mods to a car with mods and cams??
3- How can you compare a 91 map or even 98 map to C16???
4- How can you compare 3037 to 3071 which both have completely different approaches??
2- How can you compare no cams no engine mods to a car with mods and cams??
3- How can you compare a 91 map or even 98 map to C16???
4- How can you compare 3037 to 3071 which both have completely different approaches??
1. I pointed out the cost difference in the first sentence.
2. The only difference in power producing engine mods are cams. That is significant, but not so much for quick spool up.
3. IE was using Union76 100octane from the pump on that dyno run. Octane is comparable.
4. My point is that if you wanted that ATP kit, you should have gotten the 3076. Same spool, more power. At the time, there was no way to know that, so I don't fault you at all for getting the 3071. Your setup was a valuable source of information for many of us.
Alex, be nice.
Last edited by Smogrunner; Feb 17, 2005 at 08:27 PM.
Originally Posted by Az3ar
With that said I believe you understand what I am saying. I have never said or compared my EVO to IE because the compression is way off. There is nothing in common between the 2 cars.
After all I thought that you are the guy who compare apples to apples not ALEX to ALEXIA.
Have fun guys and enjoy your cars (to each his own)
Az3ar, your evo and IE's evo have the EXACT SAME COMPRESSION. His boost levels may be a bit higher.
But i would have to agree with you, that there is nothing in common between the 2 cars. Nothing at all. . .
so, for a $2500 ATP kit, you guys say no? even with the 3037 instead of the 3071....whats the consensus on that? i don't think ive seen a 3076 atp kit, can someone point me in that direction?
thanks
thanks
Originally Posted by Az3ar
I just dont understand why i have that dip in power at 5.5K RPM? its not lean at this point and nothing seems wrong. Do you guys know whats going on?
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Even IE almost has a dip like that. My guess is that your MBC allows for a big boost spike when full boost is first achieved. I'm not sure but I'd guess that IE doesn't have as severe a spike because the Xede does a better job controlling that initial spike????
My theory is the high boost spike causes something to start leaking and once the boost settles down the leak is less or non-existent. That is probably why there is no dip on your low boost map. So check your clamps and your BOV.
Originally Posted by jj_008
I am betting a boost leak at high boost. Either your blow off valve is leaking or somewhere in your system there is a leak.
My theory is the high boost spike causes something to start leaking and once the boost settles down the leak is less or non-existent. That is probably why there is no dip on your low boost map. So check your clamps and your BOV.
My theory is the high boost spike causes something to start leaking and once the boost settles down the leak is less or non-existent. That is probably why there is no dip on your low boost map. So check your clamps and your BOV.
the atp 3037 is pretty good.. but the problem lies in its massive lag when compared to the vishnu kit. this is partly because it uses the factory manifold. i have seen an atp kit making 360 whp on shiv's dyno on 100 octane before on stock intercooler... good power but laggy.
you guys have me sooooooo confused...some of you guys say the ATP 3037 kit makes good power, just alittle more laggy, and then others say its junk...what is it and what would be prefered around the same price range? right now im still leaning on the ATP 3037S with .82 a/r.
Atp 3037 with .82 a/r = lag, should try the .63 a/r...
Originally Posted by 93civEJ1
you guys have me sooooooo confused...some of you guys say the ATP 3037 kit makes good power, just alittle more laggy, and then others say its junk...what is it and what would be prefered around the same price range? right now im still leaning on the ATP 3037S with .82 a/r.
