Any update?

 

Last I heard this kit was suppose to come out about this time????

Any news as to when it will be available or when we can get some info on the specs??

 

whats the price going to be??? I think Shiv have to play a little bit longer with the V3 first b4 releasing this injection kit since it is going to controled by the Xede V3

 

Shiv is busy with injection but alcohol is not part of the equation. (LOL)OUT!

 

IMO, the best combination would be a WORKS/Aquamist 2D driven by the Xede. You 'd get all of the great safeguards of the Aquamist system, mappable water injection and you could switch maps on the fly to pull timing and kill boost in response to a fault with the WI.

 

no you need special seals to support Methanol our testing showed that the aquamist was one of the worst when subjected to Methanol. We are currently testing the AMS kit (We independantly chose the same pump as it turns out) as its pretty complete with some good safety systems.

On a side note I think its prudent to state that a proper trunk mount tank is highly preferable to the washer bottle, Methanol is some nasty stuff with a low burn point and colorless flame.

 

Now your talkin' Many people reading this forum are mislead by *cough vendors who have little or zero R&D with their kit. Methanol is no joke, and the warning lables are the first to burn off . R&D baby that's what we like hear Hot air is for balloons..

 

I will have one before my dyno day

 

Will your kit be the same as AMS then? If so Im just going to have it installed and be prepared for v3 and new maps if available.

 

The lack of chemical resistance of the Aquamist system may be true. I made the suggestion out of context. Personally I'm not planning on running alcohol aside from what will be necessary to prevent freezing. I'm not looking for the additional fuel. I'm solely looking to cool the intake charge.

EDIT: The Aquamist can handle long term exposure of up to a 50% methanol mixture. 75% short term.

Oh, BTW, a system that is resistant to methanol might not be resistant to ethanol, iso-propanol or de-natured alcohol.

I'd like to see a description of the safety mechanisms that are available with the AMS system. I haven't seen ANY documentation so far that describes fault detection and handling. As far as I'm concerned, only the Aquamist comes close to providing robust safety nets in the event of clogged nozzles, failed pumps, etc.

Furthermore, not only is a remote tank a required safety element if you're running methanol, it's also a necessity if you're going to run a system in a road race environment. The OEM intercooler tank doesn't have enough capacity to make it through a 30 minutes session when injecting 15% water/methanol by volume of fuel. Of course you can just watch for the warning light and pit-in when it illuminates, right?

 

Or run a tank of 100 octane or c16 and pit in 45 minutes.......

 

Or run a 3 gallon tank in the trunk. But really, my car won't go for 45 minutes at the track without refueling. I think I was burning through 8 or so gallons in a 20 minute session. I'm not going to get 45 minutes out of a 14.5 gallon tank of fuel, that's for sure. With water injection I might be able to since I could lean out the AFR to 12.5:1.

 

I agree based on the information I've been able to find on the web. The AMS system is a repackaged alkycontrol.com system and there is tons of information about it in the turbobuick forums. Other than a few lights, there are NO "safety mechanisms" -- and to me, a warning light isn't much of a mechanism. In fact, I've seen turbobuick guys post in their alky injection forum things like "spray light on but no alcohol flowing -- help!"

I am really hoping that at least one vendor steps up with a high end alcohol system complete with a trunk mounted cell and boost-cutting safety mechanisms. I would expect an OEM-quality turn-key system to cost close to $1500, but it would be worth it for the HP gain and peace of mind.

 

I just finished my Aquamist 2D installation on my Evo 2 days ago. With everything hooked up and running pure distilled water, I went for a test drive. The car felt the best it ever has running on our crappy California 91 octane. I have the DDS2 flow meter option that shows the water flow on a lighted meter. Anyway, I took several hard passes and then noticed on one pass that the flow meter had stopped lighting up. I immediatley let off the gas and drove home to investigate. The other light that shows that the water injection is operating had lit up, but the flow meter sensor had not. Upon further inspection the system fuse had blown. So the flow meter did it's job and showed me that water was not getting to the engine! I can't tell you how well designed the Aquamist is. I ran this same kit on my Talon for a couple of years on a 50/50 mix of water and methanol with no problems before I removed it and installed it on my Evo. Now it's time to do some furthur tuning. I believe the Xede and the Aquamist together would be a killer set up .

 

Yeah, the Aquamist system is the cat's bush...

I traded some messages with Richard Lamb. He's been doing water injection for over 24 years. He designed the first Aquamist system back in 1980. Anyway, if chemical resistance is an issue he'll build a pump with whatever seals in it that you want; viton, teflon or whatever. 100% teflon is an option for people who *really* need to run 100% methanol or mixes of water, methanol and/or nitromethane.