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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 10:53 AM
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Question Thanks for the user feedback, what about vendor?

Thanks for the feedback from a lot of you. Dustin, Shiv, can you adress the section below? Any timeframe for a fix? Do we know what causes it?

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Originally Posted by PoloRL
I've been hearing/reading that some ppl from the recent dyno days are having coldstart problems with the v3. One reply I saw explained this as saying that v3 is still 'beta'.

When will v3 be non-beta, ie have most of the bugs worked out?
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PoloRL
Thanks for the feedback from a lot of you. Dustin, Shiv, can you adress the section below? Any timeframe for a fix? Do we know what causes it?

Thanks,

PoloRL
I don't think this is something Shiv/Dustin fix, this would have to go back to the company "ChipTorque" in Australia that actually manufacturers and programs (coding) the Xede for Vishnu. Correct me if I'm wrong guys ...
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
I don't think this is something Shiv/Dustin fix, this would have to go back to the company "ChipTorque" in Australia that actually manufacturers and programs (coding) the Xede for Vishnu. Correct me if I'm wrong guys ...
We all work close together in designing and testing the firmware/software. There is a little glitch in v3 where the CAS signal is sometimes interupted when engine speed is below 200rpm (like while cranking). There is no harm in this, just a little annoyance in 1 out of 10 starts. Just keep it cranking a second longer than usual and the car should start without any problem. No need to step on the gas or any other form of carb trickery

While the Chiptorque boys are coding the next firware revision, Dustin and I are working on new XMAP3 features to take advantage of the high speed COMMS communication now active. We are already 75% done with a road dyno feature. And this will be extended into some form of auto-tuning and closed loop boost control.

Just a heads up on some of the stuff we are working on...

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
We are already 75% done with a road dyno feature. And this will be extended into some form of auto-tuning and closed loop boost control.
Nice. I actually inquired about the possibility of automatic map generation the last time I talked to Rhys about the xede protocol.

If you were able to get wideband O2 readings in xmap, you could probably generate baseline maps without any human intervention. Now _that_ would lead to some really quick tuning sessions.

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Nice. I actually inquired about the possibility of automatic map generation the last time I talked to Rhys about the xede protocol.

If you were able to get wideband O2 readings in xmap, you could probably generate baseline maps without any human intervention. Now _that_ would lead to some really quick tuning sessions.

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That's the idea. Plug in the XEDE and hit "tune". No more my flying around to do something that a nifty little computer program can do nearly as well

Shiv
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
That's the idea. Plug in the XEDE and hit "tune". No more my flying around to do something that a nifty little computer program can do nearly as well

Shiv
Hey that's the way things are going right? Engine computers are only going to get smarter. Can you imagine what people would have said 25 years ago if someone suggested that "tuning" would become sitting in the passenger's seat with a laptop?

Think of it this way, there's value in staying ahead of the curve. If you get autotune features ready before most of the market, then you'll be able to get quality tunes done at what seems like lightning speed. Think of how many more customers you could see a day if you could just push a button and get really, really good baseline maps!

Oh, plan on coming to the midwest soon? The ground has finally EDIT: thawed. Promise!

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
That's the idea. Plug in the XEDE and hit "tune". No more my flying around to do something that a nifty little computer program can do nearly as well

Shiv


Wouldn't that put the other tuners out of business?

Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrench


Wouldn't that put the other tuners out of business?

Shiv was joking. It's going to be a long time before computers can troubleshoot better than people. That's what you really pay for in a tune anyway, a smart person who can get the best numbers and deal with problems as they occur. Questions like "how much timing can I run" -- that's what computers can do for you.

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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Its reasons like this that I keep my Xede around. I'm a sucker for cool toys
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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What's this?!?!?



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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
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Is Shiv trying out his photochopping skills? If there was somewhat of an "Auto Tune" how much of an extent would this thing tune?
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by crusin_lancer
Is Shiv trying out his photochopping skills? If there was somewhat of an "Auto Tune" how much of an extent would this thing tune?
It would be pretty tough to make a computer program do all of the tuning, from behind to end. However, we're working on a program to that would do maybe 75-80 of the tuning, leaving only the important decisions to be made by the user/tuner. Since v3 XEDEs are capable of reading knock level, torque output (on a flat road), air/fuel ratio, boost, etc,. it is possible to design a logic flow chart that would allow the XEDE to tune itself to a very large extent. I just dont want to be out of a job so I'll make sure the autotuning process involves at least one or two keystrokes from a human being

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
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Are you auto tuning A/F in absolute mode?

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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Are you auto tuning timing advance in absolute mode? That would be very standalone-ish.
Nah.. that table represents air/fuel ratio. The auto tune ignition program is much more of a challenge
Old Apr 26, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Nah.. that table represents air/fuel ratio. The auto tune ignition program is much more of a challenge
Damn it. I wasn't fast enough w/ my ninja edit.



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