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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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Actually no. The adjustable cam gears are linear and they just move the power curve forward or backward.

Correct thats exactly what it does

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MIVEC constantly adjusts, but the IX isn't just getting faster spoolup. It's getting more power - which I think a larger compressor housing and bigger wheel will factually provide.

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Think of it this way the car now has the ability to advance and retard not only the spark and fuel but can now in conjunction with the electronically adjustable intake cam closly maximize the compressor map of the bigger turbo utilizing the cam gear to provide the most efficient way to spool up then to maximize top end. As a system its an awesome combo allowing the careful tracing of the most effective portions of the compressor map of bigger turbo. I would like an autocross guy to put a TME on the 9 and see what a tuner that has controll of the mivec parameters can do to spoll and midrange torque.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 05:13 AM
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i believe the MIVEC helps the spool, and the bigger turbo helps the HP up top.

thats my 2c
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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Here's my sheet from past times. Hoping to see much better results with a slightly more aggressive (11.1AFR) tune this time around in May.

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 13-0
Think of it this way the car now has the ability to advance and retard not only the spark and fuel but can now in conjunction with the electronically adjustable intake cam closly maximize the compressor map of the bigger turbo utilizing the cam gear to provide the most efficient way to spool up then to maximize top end. As a system its an awesome combo allowing the careful tracing of the most effective portions of the compressor map of bigger turbo. I would like an autocross guy to put a TME on the 9 and see what a tuner that has controll of the mivec parameters can do to spoll and midrange torque.
How much peak hp do you think the 9 would make with the stock EVO 8 turbo and MIVEC?

I would dare and say -- very little difference. Probably more torque available down low, but would still yield maybe the same overall peak.

-M
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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Here's my sheet from past times. Hoping to see much better results with a slightly more aggressive (11.1AFR) tune this time around in May.
-M
Shiv has new maps (ie., the V3 maps labeled non-smart 330+) that are more aggressive. Have you tried them? I tried Evo Joe's Stg 0+ maps from here
(https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...hlight=houston)

For my set up, I lowered the boost map a bit though. Here is Evo Joe's set up tuned by shiv:




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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
How much peak hp do you think the 9 would make with the stock EVO 8 turbo and MIVEC?

I would dare and say -- very little difference. Probably more torque available down low, but would still yield maybe the same overall peak.

-M
Peak is perhaps similar. I believe the Mivec zeros out at 6000rpm. Which is fine if you always drive there. But before hand it's a pretty big difference. The other issue is that the 9 head is supposed to have better cooling.
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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Peak is perhaps similar. I believe the Mivec zeros out at 6000rpm. Which is fine if you always drive there. But before hand it's a pretty big difference. The other issue is that the 9 head is supposed to have better cooling.
they revised the cooling passages which aids in helping the engine to be less knock prone
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by modvp
Shiv has new maps (ie., the V3 maps labeled non-smart 330+) that are more aggressive. Have you tried them? I tried Evo Joe's Stg 0+ maps from here
(https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...hlight=houston)

For my set up, I lowered the boost map a bit though. Here is Evo Joe's set up tuned by shiv:

How is he making 30+whp more power with the same mods? That's crazy! In fact, he's doing what a IX does with just a reflash! Is this on 93 oct? Catless?

-M
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
How is he making 30+whp more power with the same mods? That's crazy! In fact, he's doing what a IX does with just a reflash! Is this on 93 oct? Catless?

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I just realize that he is on 93 and catless...
So that will make a bit of a difference from your set up.
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BOOSTEZ
How much peak hp do you think the 9 would make with the stock EVO 8 turbo and MIVEC?

I would dare and say -- very little difference. Probably more torque available down low, but would still yield maybe the same overall peak.

-M

I agree you will surely reach ineffiency of the compressor map sooner than with the 9 turbo but you would be able to improve upon any evo8 with the help of the MIVEC. See Ted Bs posts on alternate cam gear settings and the huge torque increases he saw over all other evo8s. He manually did what the MIVEC does to the low and mid range but without the non on the fly adjustability couldnt utilize the most effiecient curve through the whole RPM range.
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by modvp
I just realize that he is on 93 and catless...
So that will make a bit of a difference from your set up.
Wow. What a difference just catless with 93 octane!! Impressive!

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