Shiv what is the realistic limit of pump gas?
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Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen 
Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to? 
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shiv
Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to? cheers,
shiv
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So are you going to do a intake now? lol also how are the cams coming and if I wanted to do the 264 / 264 will you have a map for that?
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to?
cheers,
shiv
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen
Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to? cheers,
shiv
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to?
cheers,
shiv
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen
Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to? cheers,
shiv
Come on MP5, ask him when he is coming to Texas. I have my XEDE in the mail(It will be here thursday). So I guess we will both be around that magic 340-350WHP once we get the cams in.......damn I am exctited
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to?
cheers,
shiv
Good question. When pushing cars to their component limits, you'll start to see car-to-car variation. On our 91 octane gas, my well abused Stage 1 EVO (before camshaft upgrades), for example, only could muster 235-240whp on our DD dyno despite whatever tuning I could throw at it. I suspect this may have to do with the 3500+ dyno pulls the car has seen
Whereas ALL other customer Stage 1 cars have made up to 245-255whp without much problem. On 93-94 octane, expect another 10-15whp. This, as seen at all the out-of-state tuning days, is anywhere between 310-320whp on an AWD dynojet tested in good conditions. With camshafts, expect another 25-30whp without any loss of midrange or low end torque. Maybe another 5-15whp with a good intercooler upgrade. Another 5 or so with some clever intake plumbing. Another 10 or so with a test pipe. so what does that add up to? cheers,
shiv
Funny
I posted that before.Eric
Originally posted by SAEVO
Come on MP5, ask him when he is coming to Texas. I have my XEDE in the mail(It will be here thursday). So I guess we will both be around that magic 340-350WHP once we get the cams in.......damn I am exctited
Come on MP5, ask him when he is coming to Texas. I have my XEDE in the mail(It will be here thursday). So I guess we will both be around that magic 340-350WHP once we get the cams in.......damn I am exctited
Last edited by MP5; Oct 31, 2003 at 01:40 PM.
Dont roll those eyes at me Eric Ill 
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Just in case it wasn't clear (and I guess it wasn't 
), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit.
As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit. As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Just in case it wasn't clear (and I guess it wasn't ), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit.
As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
Just in case it wasn't clear (and I guess it wasn't
), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit. As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
that said 380 MP5 was right on at 350 
No dissappointment from me at all thats a stout car
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Just in case it wasn't clear (and I guess it wasn't ), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit.
As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
Just in case it wasn't clear (and I guess it wasn't
), the last post was sort of a joke. Mods and hp are rarely additive. That is, you can't just keep on adding the positive effects of them on top of each other. It's a popular thing to do but it rarely leads to an accurate output. I'd be pleasantly suprised if one could make 380whp on an AWD dynojet running race gas and the factory turbo. I wouldn't bet that its impossible. I just question the merit of running such a system where the injectors and turbocharger are pushed to their absolute limit. As far as reasonable max hp on pump gas, I'd say 340-350whp (on an AWD dynojet) should be quite doable (Stage 1 with cams and perhaps a test-pipe). I'm sure more is possible if one really finds the need to push the components harder than they want to be pushed.
Cheers
shiv
Eric
Originally posted by Hor
I already told you it is MUCH more than that, especially on 93/94 octane.
I already told you it is MUCH more than that, especially on 93/94 octane.
Built motor
AEM computer
BIG TURBO.
all supporting mods.
Makes 589 on c16.