I dunno what sparco and co. are pi$$ing and moaning about. In my book 500whp uncorrected kicks some major a$$. IMNSHO any applied correction factor is the sole responsibility of whoever owns/runs the dyno, so I really don't understand why someone would point their fingers at Vishnu instead of asking XS why such a high correction factor was applied? It'd be like accusing me of artificially inflating my dyno numbers so that my stage 1 numbers looked higher than they do now (added cams and higher octane map since)...

Yet another asinine dyno debate ... whoop-dee-doo

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Who really cares? I know I don't. It's not my car. I dono any other group that lives it's live by dyno #'s so much it's unreal.

 

With the two huge roll up doors opposite each other, and the monster fans that XS uses on the dyno, I think your memory is getting hazy. Here is a picture of our car on the dyno and you can see that the open air and huge custom fan setup at XS Engineering probably cooled things down a bit.

It might have been 100 degrees if you were standing in some corner with your hand on a welding machine and a hot brake rotor in your pants, but on the dyno with the doors open and their big fans pointed directly on your car, it wasn't.

139 degrees, Shiv? Come on, man. The longer you keep up this charade, the worse it looks.

 

Sounds like sparco has pen** envy. 491 uncorrected would of still left your car in the dust. So just give it a rest and quit this 3yr old talk. And leave this thread alone. I didnt see any Vishnu employees make any bad remarks about you. I thought about buying some sparco products but now Momo looks good to me.
It is amazing to me that all these company's hate Vishnu so. Maybe if you just focused on marketing your products by showing your advantages instead of dumping on others your reputation wouldnt be going down the crapper in my book. Put your money where your mouth is and show your uncorrected print outs.

 

When Shiv ran, there were tons of cars in the garage and you couldn't tell from the video if the back door was closed, but it was relatively dark, so I would guess so.

Whats with the offensive on Shiv over a single dynochart and ~20whp debate? (at 500hp levels too)

Terry S

 

**yawn** Yes it still looks as if the Sparco Brutus' still need to find a few more ponies to slash and cut

 

Sparco, If Shiv was trying to deceive everyone why would he tell you to go to XS and pull up the dyno graphs? What was your uncorrected HP? I think this has been blown way out of proportion. Just think, both of you are driving 600hp cars if you both went to Pruven and dyno'd.

 

This is an argument that is not worth your time man. When it comes to these tuner vs. tuner arguments, each tuner's respective clientele rally to their side, no matter if they are right, wrong, or in between, and it's does not matter which tuner is in question. It's hopeless. The emperor can need new clothes all day long...makes no matter, and efforts to rail against this are completely quixotic.


Percy

 

563 - 493 = 20? Since when?

 

And Buschur makes 1,000+ with his 4g63 conquest (AT FIFTY PSI BOOST) this post was started by shiv to kick at me (egocentric no? but he did mention me by name.) Why? I don't know, other than We don't like or respect the other guy, but thats personal not business. I just find it's funny that when you cheat and get caught at it AND then you don't just admit it and go on... makes me wonder what of the other rumors are true...now other rumors...that's the spice of the EVO community (and getting to the truth of them too).

 

I ment that if they were to redo the graph with the correction numbers that Scott wants him to use, it would end up being around 20-25 hp.

Didn't mean straight uncorrected to corrected numbers.

Terry S

 

563 - 493 = 20? Since when?


Well that is without any correction factor figured in. So if there is a mistake in the correction factor there wouldnt be as big a difference when the other was put in.
Well Terry said it better. LOL

 

That makes more sense.

 

That it we are not talking 70 hp here. Why get your panties in such a bundle over 20 hp.

 

Guys, I'm sorry I even posted, as it has been completely misunderstood. I don't have any problems with Shiv making 400, 500, or even 600whp. I would congratulate him on that, just as I have on the 492whp number. I was trying (and I guess, ineffectively) to point out that there was pre-meditated deception in posting the 563whp number. I call it fraud and unethical business practices. You can call it what you want. This is not about a tuner vs. tuner shootout or having whp envy. Shiv's car is faster and makes more hp than mine. I have no problem with that, nor do I have any feelings of inadequacy about my car. If it is "pretty" then thank you. However, I do not lie or purposely deceive my customers. Finished.