I think that depends on how the correction factor is being used on the data, and whether or not you feel it is valid. If the correction factor was designed with a turbocharged and intercooled vehicle in mind, then great.

Temperature affects different cars in different ways. No single correction factor is right for every car.

Either way, this is just internet dyno muscle flexing. What really matters is what the car does at the track.

 

sparcoevo, just so everyone here can absorb the sheer magnitude of the dastardly misrepresentation you're alleging, could you fill us all in on exactly how much a misapplied temperature correction factor could inflate the dyno results, holding station and vapor pressure constant?

 

regarless if shiv made 600whp or close to 500whp , is not so much about posting who has higher #'s but posting the accurate information.
and how much boost was this car running ?? 2.0 bar = 29psi and if its near 2.2 bar =31.9 psi near 32psi
no where near the amount of boost that the sparco evo was running, so that is not comparing apple to apples
while he was also running 100 octane and not c-16 (even if it was mix , like mention before)
its hard to compare #'s when they can be so many different variables.

 

Shape GSX I appreciate your last post and after reading that I wonder why the heck this debate or sparco even had to post. Dynos are tuning tools not to be used as a my car is better car than yours unless everything is under the same circumstances. Vishnu's car has proved itself on the track. And in a enviroment totally different from many of the other tuners drag cars. The road racing is what results is what drew me to Vishnu and why I use their products. Hats off to the Sparco Evo. Just what is the point. If it is unethical then let all of us figure that out for ourselves.

 

then the question comes in mind , can this particular set up be use at a road race coarse and not a drag strip with no problems?. for running consecutive sessions of 30 minutes.
will he use that much boost or use the most aggressive tune for somethign that is more then a couple of dyno runs.

 

I believe that this was the same setup used at the C&D event...

 

Do you know how much boost or how agressive of a tune Shiv used. If anybody here knows how to tune a car for road racing its Shiv

 

but did the car had this same set up, or was the boost turn down a bit with more of a conservative tune ?
theres a difference on running at the track and having a dyno queen

 

I dont know and neither do you so whats your point. I doubt shiv ran the most hardcore map. Would he of wanted to blow up infront of all those people.

 

Who cares what tune it had. He wasn't even sure if XS would let him hop on the dyno. It wasn't running 100% C16, but a mixture of 91 in there, so the results weren't as high as it impressively was already.

 

There is no lie. All of the facts have been laid out nicely with the dyno sheets (thanks for your contribution Scott). Fact remains Shiv's car still pulled the most power on XS's dyno as attested by Eric Sue/XS Engineering himself.

 

This is seriously getting out of hand. I don't have any tuners product on my car and so I'm going to be totally unbiased here. I have respect for all the tuners out here. I for one don't give a crap about 500 or 600 WHP. For one, those cars may not even make good daily drivers and most of the evo owners on this site drive their cars daily. People like me who modify their cars are not looking to make the most whp possible but to make reliable horsepower without being at the shop or dealership every other day getting sth replaced and pouring tons of money trying to fix sth. Shiv's products are supported by track events, a 6000 mile trip and hours of dyno time. Obviously what he offers comes from his trial and error with his shop car and this makes the products he sells more reliable. I'm sure other tuners also spend tons of time and money on R&D as reputation is the most important thing. A damage a blown engine will do to someones reputation will be way worse than a 60-70WHP debate that's going on here. Every tuner has a different approach. Some may build a dyno queen, a drap strip queen, a track car or an all round daily driver.

To me the last one is more important. I think everyone should take a step back and let this thing end cuz it's not doing any good to anyone's reputation or time that can be spent doing more productive things. I respect sparcoEvo's comments, but i think this has to stop somewhere. So to each his own. Peace!

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

What is the corrected HP if you factor in the "Max air temp" of 137.9F?

 

Wait so the 2.38L stroker didnt pan out so the back to the drawing board came up with this? Noone thought that if Shiv cheated and changed intake temps that he would be enough a retarded baboon to not change it back and avoid this situation? Or lemme gues Shiv being the genius he is thought youd think that so he left the "Cheat" out in plain view.


I guess the simplest reason (It was there to begin with) Is not as entertaining as the Jerry Springer show on EvoM