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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 03:23 AM
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Water/alky injection with 91 octane and low boost, worth it?

I saw the group buy for the cooling mist standard kit for $250. Would it be worth it to run this on my car just for the sake of offsetting the low octane 91 crap Cali gas?

I’m not looking to run higher than 21psi. Car is daily driven, don’t want to have to worry about fail-safes or a grenaded motor.

I figure if the tank runs dry or some other problem I would be back to normal performance minus the water injection without harm. Would there be any performance gains? Would it be more like 93 octane then 91?

06 IX 5500 miles
Mods: TBE, K&N dropin, MBC at 21psi, dynoflash eflash

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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by icedomin8r
I saw the group buy for the cooling mist standard kit for $250. Would it be worth it to run this on my car just for the sake of offsetting the low octane 91 crap Cali gas?

I’m not looking to run higher than 21psi. Car is daily driven, don’t want to have to worry about fail-safes or a grenaded motor.

I figure if the tank runs dry or some other problem I would be back to normal performance minus the water injection without harm. Would there be any performance gains? Would it be more like 93 octane then 91?

06 IX 5500 miles
Mods: TBE, K&N dropin, MBC at 21psi, dynoflash eflash

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Might be able to get away with that on 93 but with 91 you'll be pushing it, because you have to pull fuel for the methanol or engine will run crappy or even ping from being too rich, and on 91 your window of safety is much less. The higher the water concentration the easier this will be to do though
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 05:53 AM
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If your not going to run higher than 21 psi, then it would be a waste of time to buy one of these kits.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by C6C6CH3vo
Might be able to get away with that on 93 but with 91 you'll be pushing it, because you have to pull fuel for the methanol or engine will run crappy or even ping from being too rich, and on 91 your window of safety is much less. The higher the water concentration the easier this will be to do though

id just like to point out youre wrong. I push almost 30psi on 93 and 50/50.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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If you have any method for tuning, you'd be in great shape. Add an asswhack of timing, pull just a smidge of fuel.
If you don't have a tuning method and you run a low enough flow rate you could easily make your 91 more like 93.

but why would you?

Might as well bump the boost up a smidge and have some more fun.
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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by icedomin8r
I figure if the tank runs dry or some other problem I would be back to normal performance minus the water injection without harm.

this part isn't so good.
Your car will learn an advance multiplier based on knock history. Since you won't have any freakin' knock the multiplier will be brought to max. Then if you run the tank dry, you'll start to detonate. If you are just at a low load the ecu will have the time to compensate, but if you are in it, it might not. If you get low, and you don't have meth, adding water is better than nothing.


how'd you like the dynoflash? was it mail in? We had a couple guys with the mail in version of the flash only make 2-8HP on the dyno. I don't know if this is the standard or not. So I'm not going to make any claims against DynoFlash. But for my customers it was pretty much a waste of time for them.
Especially when I offer dyno tuned reflashes for $300 and they got 50-100HP (based on mods)

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Old Sep 17, 2006 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ImprezaRSX

how'd you like the dynoflash? was it mail in? We had a couple guys with the mail in version of the flash only make 2-8HP on the dyno. I don't know if this is the standard or not. So I'm not going to make any claims against DynoFlash. But for my customers it was pretty much a waste of time for them.
Especially when I offer dyno tuned reflashes for $300 and they got 50-100HP (based on mods)
It was an E-flash

I think there was significant improvement. Car pulls alot harder from 4k up. Doesnt feel like it runs our of wind up top now. I havent had a chance to get it to a dyno yet. But once I do I will post results for sure.

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Old Sep 19, 2006 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImprezaRSX
this part isn't so good.
Your car will learn an advance multiplier based on knock history. Since you won't have any freakin' knock the multiplier will be brought to max. Then if you run the tank dry, you'll start to detonate. If you are just at a low load the ecu will have the time to compensate, but if you are in it, it might not. If you get low, and you don't have meth, adding water is better than nothing.


how'd you like the dynoflash? was it mail in? We had a couple guys with the mail in version of the flash only make 2-8HP on the dyno. I don't know if this is the standard or not. So I'm not going to make any claims against DynoFlash. But for my customers it was pretty much a waste of time for them.
Especially when I offer dyno tuned reflashes for $300 and they got 50-100HP (based on mods)
you know i felt the same way about my e flash felt like maybe 5-10hp which you cant really feel anyway but my flash was done for 91 octane bone stock + an eflash. Recently though I added an HKS downpipe, MBC (set to stock 19.5),MR bypass and a perrin boost tube. At that point the car really woke up the throtle was more responsive and I expierienced longer pull uptop, not sure if this is due to just the mods or the mods and the eflash. I think maybe the eflash was a little conservative and these small mods I made got me closer to the sweet spot. This is just my opinion and Im not a tuner. However I know the car is faster than before because my SRT-4 doesnt walk it from 60 mph anymore.
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