New to meth/alky
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From: Dirty Jersey
New to meth/alky
hey guys, im new to this side of tuning world. so i have a couple of questions and hopefully you guys can help me out. i have an IX with simple bolt ons, reflashed and tuned by Mr. Ivey(awesome tune on my car, it pulls really hard). but i'd like to get more power out of my car(just like all of you guys
), i was considering a turbo upgrade, but meth/alky is way cheaper, so im goin that route. this is my daily driver, so im looking for the most reliable and convenient kit. i've searched around, but i haven't find a kit with a large tank thats trunk mounted. i don't beat on the car that much, i do get on it every now and then, but i don't feel like filling it up every other day. how exactly does this failsafe work? is it something thats hardwired onto the waterline and oil line from the turbo? and how safe is it with the stock ecu? thanks a lot guys
), i was considering a turbo upgrade, but meth/alky is way cheaper, so im goin that route. this is my daily driver, so im looking for the most reliable and convenient kit. i've searched around, but i haven't find a kit with a large tank thats trunk mounted. i don't beat on the car that much, i do get on it every now and then, but i don't feel like filling it up every other day. how exactly does this failsafe work? is it something thats hardwired onto the waterline and oil line from the turbo? and how safe is it with the stock ecu? thanks a lot guys
If you aren't flooring it a lot, a gallon will go a long way (like 200+ miles). You don't want to be carrying a large amount of methanol in your trunk if you don't have to.
Failsafe has nothing to do with the water and oil lines to the turbo. Failsafes typically either detect irregularities in the flow of meth/alky or changes in the AFR and cut boost if either problem is detected.
As far as how safe it is, that depends on how dependent the car is on the meth/alky (how much boost, timing, and amount of meth/alky you are injecting) and how good your failsafe is. Personally, I would never advise someone to use it unless they can afford to rebuild the motor, should something bad happen. It probably won't, but the chances are much higher. It's like putting your car on a road course. You'll probably be fine, but you need to accept the possibility you could crash.
There's a lot of info. in this forum. Just spend a few hours reading the threads. G/L!
Failsafe has nothing to do with the water and oil lines to the turbo. Failsafes typically either detect irregularities in the flow of meth/alky or changes in the AFR and cut boost if either problem is detected.
As far as how safe it is, that depends on how dependent the car is on the meth/alky (how much boost, timing, and amount of meth/alky you are injecting) and how good your failsafe is. Personally, I would never advise someone to use it unless they can afford to rebuild the motor, should something bad happen. It probably won't, but the chances are much higher. It's like putting your car on a road course. You'll probably be fine, but you need to accept the possibility you could crash.
There's a lot of info. in this forum. Just spend a few hours reading the threads. G/L!
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If you aren't flooring it a lot, a gallon will go a long way (like 200+ miles). You don't want to be carrying a large amount of methanol in your trunk if you don't have to.
Failsafe has nothing to do with the water and oil lines to the turbo. Failsafes typically either detect irregularities in the flow of meth/alky or changes in the AFR and cut boost if either problem is detected.
As far as how safe it is, that depends on how dependent the car is on the meth/alky (how much boost, timing, and amount of meth/alky you are injecting) and how good your failsafe is. Personally, I would never advise someone to use it unless they can afford to rebuild the motor, should something bad happen. It probably won't, but the chances are much higher. It's like putting your car on a road course. You'll probably be fine, but you need to accept the possibility you could crash.
There's a lot of info. in this forum. Just spend a few hours reading the threads. G/L!
Failsafe has nothing to do with the water and oil lines to the turbo. Failsafes typically either detect irregularities in the flow of meth/alky or changes in the AFR and cut boost if either problem is detected.
As far as how safe it is, that depends on how dependent the car is on the meth/alky (how much boost, timing, and amount of meth/alky you are injecting) and how good your failsafe is. Personally, I would never advise someone to use it unless they can afford to rebuild the motor, should something bad happen. It probably won't, but the chances are much higher. It's like putting your car on a road course. You'll probably be fine, but you need to accept the possibility you could crash.
There's a lot of info. in this forum. Just spend a few hours reading the threads. G/L!
when looking for an alky kit, do not just go for the cheapest. Research, ask questions, ask what the failsafe is capable of, ask what the system will do - if it is able to "keep" up with the rapid change in boost, rpm, maf.......
How about a high volume storage like this, 2.5 gallons. Bottles are $40 for the 2 from www.flambeau.com
How about a high volume storage like this, 2.5 gallons. Bottles are $40 for the 2 from www.flambeau.com
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when looking for an alky kit, do not just go for the cheapest. Research, ask questions, ask what the failsafe is capable of, ask what the system will do - if it is able to "keep" up with the rapid change in boost, rpm, maf.......
How about a high volume storage like this, 2.5 gallons. Bottles are $40 for the 2 from www.flambeau.com
How about a high volume storage like this, 2.5 gallons. Bottles are $40 for the 2 from www.flambeau.com
Just get the Snow Performance kit. The failsafe works great. I know that the tank is a little small but I haven't had any issues with it. If you're not driving on WOT, you won't have to worry about it. I don't have any pics but my tank is mounted inside the trunk lining on the left hand side, right behind the rear lights. Thanks to VIP Garage everything is incognito. If you do decide to get the kit make sure you run the lines inside the car.
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you see, this car is my only car, i have basic bolt ons right now and it is pretty reliable. i've heard mix reviews on running meth/alky daily, some say it is safe and some say its not a good idea. i plan to keep the stock ecu, so i just don't wanna be paranoid about running out of meth or the flow get stuck... Sean is my tuner, he is the man and i trust him greatly. he suggested me to get the SMC kit or snow performance kit. i was suprised that he said i don't need failsafe cause that makes everything more complicated. SMC doesn't have a failsafe yet, snow performance' got a small tank... anyway, thanks for the help guys, i need to do somemore homework before i make my decision.
heres a couple of questions for you SMC users (factory ecu) does the alky kick in automaticly when boosting or it only goes in when hit certain boost range? have you ran into any problems yet?(this is for the people running on alky daily)
heres a couple of questions for you SMC users (factory ecu) does the alky kick in automaticly when boosting or it only goes in when hit certain boost range? have you ran into any problems yet?(this is for the people running on alky daily)
With the snow kit you can have 3 different choices of controllers, one that goes off of maf voltage, one that goes off of boost pressure or one that goes off both those signals for a uber smooth tune...
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I think you should save up some more money and just go with a 50 trim or 3065. Not knockin on the meth/alky guys....I think it'll come to be cheaper in the long run if you think about it. What if you forgot about it, and you were empty?!? Just my 2 cents. Good luck with your choice though!!!
I'm running the Alkycontrol kit and I use it daily on 100% meth.
It doesn't have a failsafe like slowcar is talking about. But what it does have is a low akly level light that shines bright red when it detects a low level. It also has another light that toggles red/green. Basically, when enough boost pressure is realized the pump is activated and the light turns red (let's you know the system is spraying). Once the pump output pressure exceeds 30 psi (this is an adjustable setting), the light turns green letting you know you are spraying with good pressure.
Both of these lights are dash mounted in my car and easy to see, so that I can keep tabs on how well the system is functioning, unlike the SMC kit where these lights are on the control box mounted somewhere out of line of sigth. But these are not "active" failsafes, and it's up to the driver to recognize there is a problem and get out of the throttle. I haven't experienced any issues (it's only been about 2 months), and it is something I constantly worry about. I'll get a better failsafe in the future, so that it's one less thing I have to think about while driving.
Here's a link to Alkycontrol. I like their setup much better than SMC, but that's just my personal preference. Good info. on the website. And they do have a kit specifically for the Evo (it's the kit AMS used to sell).
http://www.alkycontrol.com/
It doesn't have a failsafe like slowcar is talking about. But what it does have is a low akly level light that shines bright red when it detects a low level. It also has another light that toggles red/green. Basically, when enough boost pressure is realized the pump is activated and the light turns red (let's you know the system is spraying). Once the pump output pressure exceeds 30 psi (this is an adjustable setting), the light turns green letting you know you are spraying with good pressure.
Both of these lights are dash mounted in my car and easy to see, so that I can keep tabs on how well the system is functioning, unlike the SMC kit where these lights are on the control box mounted somewhere out of line of sigth. But these are not "active" failsafes, and it's up to the driver to recognize there is a problem and get out of the throttle. I haven't experienced any issues (it's only been about 2 months), and it is something I constantly worry about. I'll get a better failsafe in the future, so that it's one less thing I have to think about while driving.
Here's a link to Alkycontrol. I like their setup much better than SMC, but that's just my personal preference. Good info. on the website. And they do have a kit specifically for the Evo (it's the kit AMS used to sell).
http://www.alkycontrol.com/