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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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if you only had an interest of water injection you wouldn't have aquamist in your sig and you wouldn't continually post about aquamist, you would post about the benefits of meth injection and so forth, of course vendors are going to have a particular bias but we are the ones that allow for this forum to stay running...i have nothing against aquamist as a matter of fact i had a customer call me yesterday that had an endless budget and i told him to call up aquamist...
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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Dan, if there is another comparable system out there, you bet i'll be pushing for it too!
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
David, 1st of all, shame on you trying to advertising your ware and yet not wanting to pay vendor fee! That alone speaks a ton of what kind of person you are!

4ms....thats slow! the aquamist hsv.....does it quicker

there is enough info on this water injection forum for the poster to make his own decision


good way to avoid the question! 4 ms max vs 3.6 ms max, there is NO difference.

David
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
btw do a bit more R&D and real world testing on YOUR own car on your s-shv before releasing it - stop using your customers as guinea pigs / beta testers like you have done always.

Who the hell are you? we have been testing our system for months. We never release a product before its ready.

We have never used a customer as "guinea pig" and YES we have used customers for beta testing (With there knowledge).

dont tell me how to run my company.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
Who the hell are you? we have been testing our system for months. We never release a product before its ready.

We have never used a customer as "guinea pig" and YES we have used customers for beta testing (With there knowledge).

dont tell me how to run my company.
Dont like hearing the truth huh?

run your coompany the way you want, i dont care
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
good way to avoid the question! 4 ms max vs 3.6 ms max, there is NO difference.

David
a 4 carat diamond and a 3.6 carat diamond - NO difference?

no difference = the same..........David
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
Dont like hearing the truth huh?

run your coompany the way you want, i dont care

The fact is you dont know what your talking about. You took that statement out of your ***, to compensate for the fact that you dont have an answer for my post. You could not come up with ONE shred of evidence to contradict what I said.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
a 4 carat diamond and a 3.6 carat diamond - NO difference?

no difference = the same..........David
At this poing our best 4.0 ms, they claim 3.6. 4.0 MS is 1/250th of a second. That will make it over kill for methanol/water injection. also, there are tolerances and standard error percentages. In the real world they will be equally as fast.

The clock is ticking. Have your fun.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo442
I've been fascinated by WI on my evo 8 since talking with Works about their water injection kit in 03-04. Now, I'm finally planning on getting WI for my car. I've looked the most carefully at the aquamist and snow performance systems. Ultimately I'm planning on getting the snow performance system because although there are theoretical advantages to the aquamist system like the PWM valve vs PWM pump, the snow performance system is cheaper, simpler and seems to work just as well.

So... for those of you running meth/h20 and using the above systems, am I making a mistake in choosing the Snow Performance system?

Evo442,
You can run a DDS3v8 (failsafe) equipped single stage system at around 500 dollars. Slowcar has managed to achieved a good gain - I think he got over 50+ TQ and 50+ WHP.

If in the future you want to upgrade to a high performance system, you only need a add few extra components. Pm me if you want more details - I do not wish stay on this thread for too long.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 03:54 PM
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hope you figure it out
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
How do you think PWM valves change the flow rate? If you have a nozzle that is X amount of flow at X PSI, the only way to change that flow is to lower the pressure or raise it. While the pump stays at full pressure with a PWM Valve kit, the Nozzle will only be at full pressure at 100% duty cycle of the valve. In order to lower the flow rate you must send less current to the valve, this results in less flow, less pressure at the nozzle. In otherwords, its identical to PWM PUMP in regards to how it atomizes and lowers/raises the flow rate.

Using your chart below a M15 nozzle at 40 psi has 9.49 GPH. That same nozzle for you to be at 15 GPH you need to change the pressure to 100 PSI. Push 40 PSI through a nozzle using a PWM pump system or 40 PSI through a PWM valve system and you get the exact same flow rate and the exact same atomization.


http://www.hagonozzles.com/documents...M%20&%20MW.pdf



Yes, but that has nothing to do with this argument. 40 psi through a nozzle whether its through a PWM pump or PWM valve does the same thing.

There are other failsafes on the market and others soon to be released.

Your only argument is reaction time and PWM pump systems do react fast enough for MOST people.
David, I think your explaination to how the PWM valve work is not correct. I don't want to argue with you, please go and do some research on topic such as "Fuel injection system", "theory of modern fuel injection system" etc. After reading and learning it, come back and correct your post.

PWM valve is not the same as PWM pump.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard L
David, I think your explaination to how the PWM valve work is not correct. I don't want to argue with you, please go and do some research on topic such as "Fuel injection system", "theory of modern fuel injection system" etc. After reading and learning it, come back and correct your post.

PWM valve is not the same as PWM pump.
You are missing my entire point. there are many, many ways a PWM valve can work. My point was that in order for the flow rate to change and to maintain a consistent spray the pressure coming out of the nozzle must some how change. If 150 psi was constant to the nozzle, the flow rate would remain the same. If you do it over a time base at the same pressure, then the flow would pulse or not be consistent.

Thats the only point I am making.

Also, I never said PWM valve and PWM pump are the SAME. Please dont talk down to me. I simply said the atomization will be the same at the same pressure.

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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist

.... .... I simply said the atomization will be the same at the same pressure.

Tell me something new.

David, you are not making sense.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 05:16 PM
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David of coolingmist, you better stop when you are still ahead. You are a JOKE!

From your "water injection forum", your customer asked:

"I was wondering if a 50/50 water denatured alcohol mix will freeze in northern climates (Northern michigan to be exact.) We generally dont get colder then -10*F Thanks XXX"

Instead of pointing him to a mixture table such as this:

http://www.ashland.com/pdfs/technica...sh%20Point.pdf

you told him:

"50/50 SHOULD not freeze. put some in your freezer if you want to make sure."

http://www.coolingmist.com/displayth...35&forumid=900

Sucks to be your customer - blind leading the blind
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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lol.....afraid the world to see all the misinformation you have been spreading?
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